jimi42
Apr 14 2003, 03:34
There have been some news about a new philips little mp3 jukebox, and there is a beta for testing it. 50 selected customers will receive their unit.
You can apply here :
http://www.audio.philips.com/betatest_application1.aspthen, whats with Ogg vorbis?
hehe
At some point, (there is a survey in the application process...) they ask you the importance of certain features.. like Ogg (they wrote it "OGG" without "vorbis"
), and, at the end, wath is, in your opinion, THE most important feature that you would like on such devices
Sorry for my bad english or if this is off-topic... but this is a good opportunity for philips ogg-lobbying
bye!
Always intresting to see a leading brand proposing such a move.
But eur, where are mpc and flac ?
I don't think that
Grundig will ever support it with the bad news today...
Quite a list to fill in but it might be worth it.
userXYZ
Apr 14 2003, 04:08
QUOTE
they ask you the importance of certain features.. like Ogg (they wrote it "OGG" without "vorbis" sad.gif ), and, at the end, wath is, in your opinion, THE most important feature that you would like on such devices smile.gif
Voted for Ogg as supported format and chose 'not important at all' for wma, mp3pro and realaudio
Good luck for all who'd like to become testers
Volcano
Apr 14 2003, 04:51
QUOTE(userXYZ @ Apr 14 2003 - 11:08 AM)
Voted for Ogg as supported format and chose 'not important at all' for wma, mp3pro and realaudio
Same here.
Also voted unimportant for all that nonsense like picture display and games.
anthrax
Apr 14 2003, 07:02
QUOTE
Voted for Ogg as supported format and chose 'not important at all' for wma, mp3pro and realaudio
QUOTE
Also voted unimportant for all that nonsense like picture display and games.
Me too. I've never heard of anyone wanting to view
pictures on a portable music player before. Sheesh
fragtal
Apr 14 2003, 08:14
I also voted for ogg and against mp3pro, wma, ra.
and vorbis ist the most important thing that influences my decision to buy.
QUOTE
But eur, where are mpc and flac ?
. Vorbis is more poplurality but until NOW there is NOT any portable player at all, I doubt about mpc destiny
Philips said OGG, did they mean FLAC,Vorbis and even Theora
And, anyone try RealAudioV8. They are REALLY GOOD, at 96kbps RealAudio ~ WMAv9 ~ Vorbis -q 2
QUOTE(anthrax @ Apr 14 2003 - 08:02 AM)
Me too. I've never heard of anyone wanting to view
pictures on a portable music player before. Sheesh
Philips already has a CD/mp3 player that does pictures. No built in display, but it has
a TV output jack. It sounds like a good idea. I still put more weight on Ogg.
elmar3rd
Apr 16 2003, 16:59
... me too :-)
This is one of the better polls. Of course, some questions are not detailed enough for ambitious users and some issues are missing (e.g. DRM or Data Storage). In contrast to a Sony NET-MD poll last year, they don't focus on the "download-behaviour", but on usability and features.
Nevertheless, the question for "OGG" Vorbis is not exclusiv, they ask for mp3PRO or Real Audio too, but forgot AAC or MPC. I hope, the results will show them, that Ogg Vorbis might be a good choice. But the missing questions for AAC and MPC are disappointing. At least Ogg Vorbis and AAC (already supported by a Philips-Portable Device) could be implemented immediately.
QUOTE(elmar3rd @ Apr 16 2003 - 05:59 PM)
... me too :-)
This is one of the better polls. Of course, some questions are not detailed enough for ambitious users and some issues are missing (e.g. DRM or Data Storage).
ask for mp3PRO or Real Audio too, but forgot AAC or MPC. I hope, the results will show them, that Ogg Vorbis might be a good choice. But the missing questions for AAC and MPC are disappointing. At least Ogg Vorbis and AAC (already supported by a Philips-Portable Device) could be implemented immediately.
Some questions keep you from saying what you mean. ie USB 2 is not very important to me, and firewire
is not very important, but having one or the other is.
I hope there is some bleed through in marketing and development, so they will put new formats
in to full size (ie AC powered components) CD/mp3/Vorbis players.
I voted for OGG as being of most importance but didn't entirely write off the other formats in case it has a bearing on whether they send me one of these for free or not. B)
I voted for the Ogg format being the most important. If I see some reasonable priced hw player with Ogg support I would even buy it someday.
Ogg Vorbis support is also important to me and I can't wait for the moment I will be able to buy (or even choose) such a portable player.
Benjamin Lebsanft
Apr 19 2003, 09:42
added my vote for vorbis
too!
tangent
Apr 19 2003, 10:29
added my vote for vorbis to!
we should put this on slashdot, muahahaaaa..
Moguta
Apr 26 2003, 12:42
QUOTE(tangent @ Apr 19 2003 - 04:29 PM)
added my vote for vorbis to!
we should put this on slashdot, muahahaaaa..
A bit later than everyone else, but I did add my vote!
You really ought to have, tangent!
That would send 'em a message!
Also signed up.. ogg support is very important to me and i hope they will add it
QUOTE(jimi42 @ Apr 14 2003 - 04:34 AM)
There have been some news about a new philips little mp3 jukebox, and there is a beta for testing it. 50 selected customers will receive their unit.
wouldn't it be a bummer if you "won" a beta unit, but your spam filter rejected the notification?
Yep, i'm in too and i also got my friend to support Vorbis and downplay Realaudio, Wma and Mp3pro.
I also voted, but I didn't totally dis the other formats. I made real not important at all (because I'd rather eat horse poop than listen to real-anything) and WMA not very important (because it isn't). I put mp3 as somewhat important and Ogg (Vorbis) as very important (even though I just discovered it, it looks very good!).
Why?
Partly because those are (reasonably) accurate statements for me (since I have over 10,000 CD tracks in Lame/mp3 and am only just experimenting with ovf I may have leaned a little over-ovf, but it's looking good to me so far) Even more important though is that you don't want to trigger the "crusader" or "fanatic" filters and end up in a pocket category in their survey summaries. The way to end up that way is to over-use negative choices, or have too much separation between one idea, concept, or result and all the others.
(my 0010 of 1100100 US)...
pointwood
May 6 2003, 06:17
Add yet another vote for Ogg Vorbis
Dologan
May 6 2003, 12:38
And another vote! I hope they consider Ogg (Vorbis) support for CD players as well, since hard disk based players tend to be considerably more expensive. Anyway, the reason I would like ogg support for portable hardware is for fitting more songs on a CD at a "situationally transparent" quality, and having a 15 GB hard disk for storage would defeat that purpose. Why bother using vorbis if I could fit all the songs I could ever want to listen to "on the go" in alt-preset extreme? (which btw is far beyond my transparency threshold)
Hey, tangent, do put this on slashdot please. Though massive applications will dilute our chances of being selected for the beta test, setting the precedent of widespread public support for Vorbis is IMHO more important than trying to keep our already dilute chances of being selected not so low.
Saxtus
May 11 2003, 13:06
I also voted. Of course the feature that will make me buy it, will be the question "r" (namely, OGG Vorbis support)!
ibm2080
May 11 2003, 14:18
Added my vote too.
Animaniac
May 11 2003, 14:46
The UI looks like a total rip off of the iPod. Too bad Apple chose AAC instead of Vorbis. If Phillips does it right, they'll get my money.
Phobos
May 11 2003, 15:36
Although im an AAC fan myself because im all about uber quality and its better at high bitrates, i voted for ogg. On a side notes, dont you guys find strange the EXP503 supports aac just fine and phillips havent come with a single word about they stopped to support it??? They should made the device upgreadable when AAC+ SBR and gapless mp4 come to the scene... Maybe aac was too young still to be implemented and phillips lost some money on the exp503... just IMHO
News flash! I lost in the lottery for beta testing the player. Ogg or not, I don't get one yet.
fragtal
May 29 2003, 06:15
QUOTE(DonP @ May 29 2003 - 12:26 PM)
News flash! I lost in the lottery for beta testing the player. Ogg or not, I don't get one yet.
Have you been notified? Cause I have not been so... I think this means I've lost, too.
from: audio.news@philips.com
Thank you very much for applying to be a beta-tester for Philips HDD100 Recording Audio
Jukebox. Thanks for your great support, the application process went smoothly and ended
successfully at 6:00 PM, Sunday, May 18 in Pacific Standard Time.
Unfortunately, this time your name was not selected in our random lucky draw. However, we
would like to assure you that there will be more beta-test opportunities in the near future, and that
you will be one of the first people to be informed of the event.
Again, thank you very much for your great support and best wishes from your friends at Philips!
-----
booooo
(( no betatesting for me either..
Congratulations...[blabla]...unfortunately
Very nice. My spamfilter actually killed it, if it weren't for this thread I wouldn't have known.
userXYZ
May 29 2003, 11:02
How stupid, first the emails subject sounds like you'd 'won'
QUOTE
Congratulations! Beta-tester for the Philips Recording Audio Jukebox HDD100
just to turn the other way and say no, you 'lost'
I guess it's reallly more of a win if they listened to our votes and put Ogg-* on it than if I got a beta unit
(just guessing that you eventually have to send it back)
ibm2080
May 29 2003, 14:27
QUOTE(userXYZ @ May 29 2003 - 09:02 AM)
How stupid, first the emails subject sounds like you'd 'won'
QUOTE
Congratulations! Beta-tester for the Philips Recording Audio Jukebox HDD100
just to turn the other way and say no, you 'lost'
I hate that.
It is only in the second paragraph that they say
:
QUOTE
Unfortunately, this time your name was not selected in our random lucky draw.
Edit: BTW, the first paragraph is 32 words long (3 lines).
@DonP: Good point!
I "Lost" too !
It seems to be, that there is no one out there, who gets a better message from Phillips ...
....CONGRATULATIONS.... I can say, that I was happy in the first second ... ;-)
QUOTE(AlfO4 @ May 29 2003 - 04:21 PM)
....CONGRATULATIONS.... I can say, that I was happy in the first second ... ;-)
The big remaining question is, why
are there different subject lines? Different classes of loser?
At first I thought they might just want to track response rate as a function of which subject line, but
the only link I see in the message with ID tracking is the unsubscribe.
edit: It does look like a pretty spiffy unit. I didn't see any clue on the web site on a release date.
PoisonDan
May 29 2003, 15:36
QUOTE(AlfO4 @ May 29 2003 - 09:21 PM)
I "Lost" too !
It seems to be, that there is no one out there, who gets a better message from Phillips ...
....CONGRATULATIONS.... I can say, that I was happy in the first second ... ;-)
Yep, I got the "Congratulations! (...) Unfortunately, (...) mail too.
I wonder if anybody who reads this board was selected. It would be great to get some feedback about the device.
QuantumKnot
May 29 2003, 18:05
I lost too. Had my hopes up when I saw "congratulations" but then the devil is in the detail.
Cygnus X1
May 29 2003, 18:11
I too received the "congratulations: you're a loser" message.
I have to wonder what the total number of people who signed up for the beta was.
tangent
May 29 2003, 23:17
I had to check my spam box, but yeah, I lost too
No luck here
I hope they at least add Ogg Vorbis support.
userXYZ
May 30 2003, 01:27
Maybe it all is a research by some guys studying psychology? They intended to see our reactions. I now clearly see, we should flame them to death!
fragtal
May 30 2003, 02:01
QUOTE(Garf @ May 29 2003 - 06:31 PM)
Congratulations...[blabla]...unfortunately
Very nice. My spamfilter actually killed it, if it weren't for this thread I wouldn't have known.
same here! I had to search for it between 20 other mails chosen by my spam filter. btw. the topic and the sender of that mail sounded pretty much like spam to me
Saxtus
May 30 2003, 11:23
I lost too...
Now the only stable hope for OGG is
http://www.neurosaudio.com/(if you can wait the flash to load, go
here for the press release)
There's still the Rio Pearl. Although it isn't on the market yet, they've actually had Ogg-Vorbis playing on
the prototypes for months. Now that Denon/Marantz owns the company hopefully they will be able to
gear up manufacturing and start selling it.
fragtal
May 30 2003, 13:41
That's really nice to see, ain't it?
I hope their players are cool enough to please me
Valefor
May 30 2003, 14:08
now there's apologizing.
QUOTE
Please accept our sincere apologies for our HDD100 Recording Audio Jukebox Beta-Test
email, which was sent out at 4:30AM, Thursday, May 29th 2003, Pacific Standard Time.
Unfortunately, the said email contained an error within the email subject, and wrongly
congratulated you as a beta-tester for the Philips HDD100 Recording Audio Jukebox.
The said email's body text notification remains correct and final in informing you that unfortunately
this time your name was not selected in our random lucky draw. We very much apologize for this
incident and any confusion it may have caused you.
We thank you very much for applying to be a beta-tester for Philips HDD100 Recording Audio
Jukebox although you were not selected. We would like to assure you that there will be more
beta-test opportunities in the near future, and that you will be one of the first people to be
informed of the event.
Again, thank you very much for your great support and best wishes from your friends at Philips!
Kind regards,
Philips Audio Club
http://www.audio.philips.com ______________________________________________________________________________
Copyright 2003 Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.audio.philips.com
ibm2080
May 30 2003, 15:21
ibm2080
May 31 2003, 01:05
I just got one this morning! Yeah, it is 9 AM here
.
Man, they are sending these apologies one by one and they are personalized too.
I wouldn't wanna be in the shoes of the guy/gal who messed up the e-mail subject with that now-famous "Congrats"
.
They are spending
days if not weeks to rectify the problem
.
QUOTE(ibm2080 @ May 31 2003 - 09:05 AM)
I just got one this morning! Yeah, it is 9 AM here
.
Man, they are sending these apologies one by one and they are personalized too.
I wouldn't wanna be in the shoes of the guy/gal who messed up the e-mail subject with that now-famous "Congrats"
.
They are spending
days if not weeks to rectify the problem
.
It's just a script that goes through their mail database. A few minutes writing the mail and clicking a button.
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