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Note: I originally posted this in the Burrrn 1.0 thread, but since Burrrn is up to version 1.031 (and counting) it seemed all the suggestions for new features were getting slightly lost among the other Burrrn-related discussion. If it's acceptable with Gambit, I propose one centralized thread where suggestions (and only suggestions!) could be posted, and responded to as necessary.

QUOTE(Gambit @ Apr 9 2003 - 12:24 PM)
Actually, adding support for other formats is quite easy. The more difficult part is to read the tags and determine the duration of the songs. That has to be done from within Burrrn. That means that I would have to write the correspondig code for every added format.
Burrrn supports the most popular formats, but if you think that some others should be added, let me know which and I will think about it.

All right, here are two formats that - in my opinion (which usually seems to differ from everyone else's!) - should be implemented:

You can add MIDI support via TiMidity++, a freeware MIDI-to-WAV program which uses Gravis Ultrasound patches (also available at the same site). The site also says, "If you want to make wave files then get this version of Timidity (228.5kb) as well. This version is suitable for real time play if you have at least a 300 Mhz CPU and is a must have for making a wave file (best quality). The cspline algorithm instead of the linear algorithm and requires more CPU horsepower." Right... whatever that means. From my perspective, it means I would be able to share a heck of a lot more music with my father-in-law.

Shorten is another essential... for all the wrong reasons. Hey, I'll be the first to admit that at this point the compression you can get using SHN is relatively poor, and the format doesn't even support tagging (which means the integrated CD-TEXT functions of Burrrn would be wasted), but in terms of what people use for source material it is probably the most widespread lossless format. In my own collection I have several thousand shows archived in this format, and although I've now switched to FLAC for personal archiving I still occasionally receive SHNs in trade. If you added SHN support to Burrrn and mentioned it on the etree.org mailing list, I suspect you'd get a few thousand downloads overnight. I know, it would be a nightmare for bandwidth... but try to think of all the potential postcards. smile.gif

A quick question: Is BURN-Proof enabled by default? CDRDAO has supported this since version 1.1.5, so if Burrrn is not already using it could you add a switch to turn this on?

One last item, while I'm here. I notice it is possible to load a CUE sheet with relative paths in the FILE parameter (such as the one below, which is useful if you are burning a comp disc that draws from different directories), and that Burrrn will recognize the correct lengths for the specified files, but when told to "Burrrn" them will simply open a dozen instantaneous DOS boxes and create an empty directory. Could this behavior be fixed, so that relative path Cue sheets would be useable? And if possible, could Burrrn also load the title/artist/album information when loading a CUE sheet?

Here's a sample CUE sheet, using Pink Floyd's first album and related singles, to explain what I mean:
CODE
FILE "../a) Soundtrack to 'Tonite Let's All Make Love in London'/01 Interstellar Overdrive.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 01 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../a) Soundtrack to 'Tonite Let's All Make Love in London'/02 Nick's Boogie.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 02 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../b) 'Arnold Layne' UK single/01 Arnold Layne.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 03 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../b) 'Arnold Layne' UK single/02 Candy and a Currant Bun.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 04 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../c) 'See Emily Play' UK single/01 See Emily Play.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 05 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../d) The Piper at the Gates of Dawn/01 Astronomy Domine.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 06 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../d) The Piper at the Gates of Dawn/02 Lucifer Sam.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 07 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../d) The Piper at the Gates of Dawn/03 Matilda Mother.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 08 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../d) The Piper at the Gates of Dawn/04 Flaming.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 09 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../d) The Piper at the Gates of Dawn/05 Pow R. Toc H..flac" WAVE
 TRACK 10 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../d) The Piper at the Gates of Dawn/06 Take Up Thy Stethoscope and Walk.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 11 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../d) The Piper at the Gates of Dawn/07 Interstellar Overdrive.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 12 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../d) The Piper at the Gates of Dawn/08 The Gnome.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 13 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../d) The Piper at the Gates of Dawn/09 Chapter 24.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 14 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../d) The Piper at the Gates of Dawn/10 Scarecrow.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 15 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "../d) The Piper at the Gates of Dawn/11 Bike.flac" WAVE
 TRACK 16 AUDIO
   INDEX 01 00:00:00


Thank you, Gambit. Sometime this week I should have a chance to run a few errands, and one of them is in search of an appropriate postcard to send.

- M.
Gambit
QUOTE(M)
You can add MIDI support via TiMidity++, a freeware MIDI-to-WAV program which uses Gravis Ultrasound patches (also available at the same site). The site also says, "If you want to make wave files then get this version of Timidity (228.5kb) as well. This version is suitable for real time play if you have at least a 300 Mhz CPU and is a must have for making a wave file (best quality). The cspline algorithm instead of the linear algorithm and requires more CPU horsepower." Right... whatever that means. From my perspective, it means I would be able to share a heck of a lot more music with my father-in-law.

I don't know. You are the only person who asked for this. I think for the time being you have to convert them to wav yourself and afterwards burrrn them. Never say no, but... wink.gif

QUOTE(M)
Shorten is another essential...

I'm considering shorten and wavpack. I'll take a look at them after 1.04. If anybody has a description of the format, please post a link as I don't use these formats, so I'm not familiar with them.

QUOTE(M)
I suspect you'd get a few thousand downloads overnight. I know, it would be a nightmare for bandwidth... but try to think of all the potential postcards. smile.gif

He, you hear that ChS? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(M)
A quick question: Is BURN-Proof enabled by default?

Yup.

QUOTE(M)
One last item, while I'm here. I notice it is possible to load a CUE sheet with relative paths in the FILE parameter (such as the one below, which is useful if you are burning a comp disc that draws from different directories), and that Burrrn will recognize the correct lengths for the specified files, but when told to "Burrrn" them will simply open a dozen instantaneous DOS boxes and create an empty directory. Could this behavior be fixed, so that relative path Cue sheets would be useable?

I'll check that. Btw. what did you use to create that cue?

QUOTE(M)
And if possible, could Burrrn also load the title/artist/album information when loading a CUE sheet?

Burrrn should already do that. If it doesn't please send me the cue file.

QUOTE(M)
Thank you, Gambit. Sometime this week I should have a chance to run a few errands, and one of them is in search of an appropriate postcard to send.

Thanks rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(M)
- M.

Ain't you from Men In Black? biggrin.gif
- G.
M
QUOTE(Gambit @ Apr 17 2003 - 03:40 AM)
I don't know. You are the only person who asked for this (MIDI). I think for the time being you have to convert them to wav yourself and afterwards burrrn them. Never say no, but... wink.gif

All right... but this might be one of those instances where a user-configurable box for unsupported formats would be useful. Then folks who want it could simply add the program/switches/file extension themselves, and post examples of working lines.

QUOTE(Gambit @ Apr 17 2003 - 03:40 AM)
If anybody has a description of the format (Shorten), please post a link as I don't use these formats, so I'm not familiar with them.

You should be able to get any necessary info on Shorten from this site, but unfortunately it seems to be offline tonight (the site has been around for a few years and updates are relatively frequent, so I suspect it's just offline temporarily...).

QUOTE(Gambit @ Apr 17 2003 - 03:40 AM)
QUOTE(M @ Apr 15 2003 - 06:37 PM)
And if possible, could Burrrn also load the title/artist/album information when loading a CUE sheet?
Burrrn should already do that. If it doesn't please send me the cue file.

Simple - it's identical to the sample CUE file at the end of my first message (save that there is, as per the standard, a hard return after the last line). But regardless of whether the CUE sheets reference files with relative paths or only reference files from a single directory in which the CUE sheet also resides, the song titles/artist/album information is not being displayed in the Burrrn interface. Manually loading the files (dragging-and-dropping them on Burrrn) does load all the titles, artist & album info, and once the files have been loaded - if Burrrn is not closed in between - then loading the CUE sheet brings up the song titles (although artist & album are still not automatically loaded).

The CUE sheet was edited by hand, and works fine with WAV files (with ".flac" changed to ".wav," of course). Burrrn accepts the CUE sheet and loads the track times, but does not decode/burn the files.

QUOTE(Gambit @ Apr 17 2003 - 03:40 AM)
Ain't you from Men In Black?  biggrin.gif

Well, only for the past few years. I used to spend all my time giving orders to some guy named James Bond, until they replaced me with a little old lady. (!)

- M.
AngelGR
I'm using Burrrn more and more, but I have some suggestions (maybe for Burrrn 2.0 wink.gif ) that could improve it:
-An "Erase CD-RW" option.
-Hide or run minimised all those "popup-command line" windows.
This could be using right click if you don't want to add too much buttons:
-Clear selected files from the list.
-Up-down files (change order).
-Add files - Add complete directory to the list.
And this would be nice:
-A total progress bar.
-Support for copy CD Audio - read original CD Text - get titles from CDDB.
Regards. smile.gif
Gambit
QUOTE(AngelGR)
-An "Erase CD-RW" option.
-Hide or run minimised all those "popup-command line" windows.

Is in 1.04, hopefully out next week.

QUOTE(AngelGR)
-Support for copy CD Audio - read original CD Text - get titles from CDDB.

I think we all agree that EAC is the best and secure ripper. So if EAC doesn't support your writer, you can create the image file and then burrrn it.

All the other things you mentioned are on my todo list. smile.gif

QUOTE(M)
Well, only for the past few years. I used to spend all my time giving orders to some guy named James Bond, until they replaced me with a little old lady.

Oh, I forgot about this one. That's because just the day before, I saw Men In Black II and there was this joke with Michael Jackson wanting to be agent M. biggrin.gif
jamieo
QUOTE(AngelGR @ Apr 17 2003 - 10:46 PM)
I'm using Burrrn more and more, but I have some suggestions (maybe for Burrrn 2.0 wink.gif ) that could improve it...

burnatonce already does all this and more - as of 0.97 eac non-compliant cuesheets will be supported too. smile.gif

Btw, I only post this here since I know Gambit won't mind. wink.gif

Jamie
AngelGR
QUOTE
Is in 1.04, hopefully out next week.

Nice. smile.gif
QUOTE
you can create the image file and then burrrn it.

Yes, but then I need two programs. The advantage of Burrrn is its capacity for burn CD Audio in one step, and I think it could be a very good all-in-one CD Audio burner. It's a lot of work for you, I know. And maybe I'm too lazy. tongue.gif

QUOTE
burnatonce already does all this and more

I know it, Jamie, because I'm using burnatonce too. wink.gif
Even I wrote a little manual in spanish about how to burn Ogg Vorbis files with burnatonce some time ago.
But I like Burrrn because it's specifically oriented to CD Audio. It does what I need, and only that. Small, easy, fast... good.
jamieo
QUOTE(AngelGR @ Apr 18 2003 - 05:44 PM)
It does what I need, and only that.

Cool, well I guess burnatonce is not intended to be so... er, limited? If all you want is something to replace the EAC burning engine then Gambit has done a great job! smile.gif

However, if you are using burnatonce anyway then there must be something you don't like about the way it does audio - please share (maybe in another thread?).

P.S. I had a feeling you used burnatonce since all the things you asked for are already in burnatonce - that's why I posted. I guess you want a hybrid of burrrn and burnatonce eh? laugh.gif

Jamie
AngelGR
Jamie:
I have some reasons, but we are going totally off topic. We could continue in the burnatonce forum, if you want. wink.gif
micimaci
is there a possibility to add *.mp4 files for burning?
n68
yup...


if am not way of here... rolleyes.gif

both Burrrn & BAO can mp4..
thrue faad...


ph34r.gif
micimaci
it won't. i've just checked it. i've dropped some mp4 in burrrn and nothing happened..
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