Full Version: PINK FLOYD - The Dark Side Of The Moon
i got it today. seems to me the best SaCD out there. Even the normal stereo track on that hybrid sacd sounds a lot better compared to the original dark side of the moon cd. Once listened the intros of Time and Money you won't listen to the old cd again
QUOTE(Xenion @ May 3 2003 - 03:09 PM)
i got it today. seems to me the best SaCD out there. Even the normal stereo track on that hybrid sacd sounds a lot better compared to the original dark side of the moon cd. Once listened the intros of Time and Money you won't listen to the old cd again
hm, can you be a little more precise about what your 'old' cd is?
- first release on cd (made in japan)
- digital remastered one from '92 (part of shine box, twenty anniversary edition, ...)
I decided not to support SACD format (don't have equipment to play surround mix anyway) and bought myself vinyl edition. Neato 
QUOTE(Xenion @ May 3 2003 - 08:09 AM)
i got it today. seems to me the best SaCD out there. Even the normal stereo track on that hybrid sacd sounds a lot better compared to the original dark side of the moon cd. Once listened the intros of Time and Money you won't listen to the old cd again
Regarding the "normal" PCM track, did you do any blind-testing to verify if it really does sound better than the original CD version? (On the same SACD player, of course, to rule out error-variance caused by another D/A converter, etc.) If you are comparing it to the old, unremastered pressing that came out before the 20th anniversary disc (1992), I wouldn't be surprised if it sounded a bit better.
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Xenion wrote:
Even the normal stereo track on that hybrid sacd sounds a lot better compared to the original dark side of the moon cd.
Even the normal stereo track on that hybrid sacd sounds a lot better compared to the original dark side of the moon cd.
Are you sure it's not just LOUDER?
Well actually, I somehow tend to believe you, because, for example, on 'Echoes' (the Best Of compilation released in 2001) they did actually perform some additional effects processing (I noticed more reverb on some tracks compared to the originals) which made it sound quite different from the originals. Whether or not that's better is another question...I tried to take a closer look at this new SACD edition when I was in England 1 1/2 weeks ago, but I didn't manage to find one that wasn't sealed. The cover redesign looks pretty cool though, that's all I can say.
@Xenion:
does your dsotm sacd have ten or nine tracks?
to be more precise, are "speak to me" and "breathe"
finally separate tracks now, or did manage to f**k
up the track listing once again?
does your dsotm sacd have ten or nine tracks?
to be more precise, are "speak to me" and "breathe"
finally separate tracks now, or did manage to f**k
up the track listing once again?
QUOTE(robert @ May 5 2003 - 06:57 PM)
@Xenion:
does your dsotm sacd have ten or nine tracks?
to be more precise, are "speak to me" and "breathe"
finally separate tracks now, or did manage to f**k
up the track listing once again?
does your dsotm sacd have ten or nine tracks?
to be more precise, are "speak to me" and "breathe"
finally separate tracks now, or did manage to f**k
up the track listing once again?
my old cd (1994 remaster) had 10 tracks (one track, a and b for "speak to me" and "breathe"). the new one has two seperate tracks, so 10 tracks together
The best mix I *ever* heard of Dark Side was the original Harvest vinyl cut which was sparsely sold in the U.S. as a British import. The EMI/Capitol version sold in the U.S. pales beside it. Unfortunately, most of the re-masters were based on the tapes sent to the U.S. If you ever find the Japanese 'Black CD' version, I believe it has the Harvest mix on it. But I've never been able to find one 
yup...
on a hybrid SACD..
the only quality difference.. should be
the DDG layer.. otherwise.. the recordings
should be plain red book...
on a hybrid SACD..
the only quality difference.. should be
the DDG layer.. otherwise.. the recordings
should be plain red book...
Well, I finally got the SACD and I have to say that it has an album gain of -6.12. Also, the 6th track (Money: -8.38) is way too loud.
Edit 1: By the way... There are 10 tracks.
Edit 2: http://www.transilvania2000.de/compressed.jpg (compressed)
http://www.transilvania2000.de/uncompressed.jpg (uncompressed)
Edit 1: By the way... There are 10 tracks.
Edit 2: http://www.transilvania2000.de/compressed.jpg (compressed)
http://www.transilvania2000.de/uncompressed.jpg (uncompressed)
I have the SACD too (mostly since it is the only copy sold here). But I'm pretty satified with it. Then again I don't have anything to compare it to. The cover is pretty nice as Volcano mentioned. There are also pictures of the original covers and other covers and posters etc. BTW in addition to Money, Eclipse is also quite loud (-7.37dB). Also, like Xenion said the intros to Time and Money sound incredible, however like I say I have nothing to compare to so I really can't say one way or another.
Just checked my whole Pink Floyd discs; Pulse (1995) and The Wall (2000) also contain some loud, compressed tracks.
I can provide a sample from the MFSL Original Master Dark Side of the Moon (UDCD 517) if anybody is interested to compare the SACD or the CD layer to it.
QUOTE(ChangFest @ May 29 2004, 06:27 PM)
I can provide a sample from the MFSL Original Master Dark Side of the Moon (UDCD 517) if anybody is interested to compare the SACD or the CD layer to it.
I would be, yes.
QUOTE(ChangFest @ May 29 2004, 09:27 AM)
I can provide a sample from the MFSL Original Master Dark Side of the Moon (UDCD 517) if anybody is interested to compare the SACD or the CD layer to it.
I'm interested, too.
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....ST&f=35&t=22088
Posted sample from the first 30 seconds of Money. I can post more samples if needed.
Posted sample from the first 30 seconds of Money. I can post more samples if needed.
Could you post a screen shot of the whole file loaded into a wave editor? Notice how the sound has been flat out in the SACD version: http://www.transilvania2000.de/compressed.jpg
QUOTE(ChangFest @ May 30 2004, 03:37 PM)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....ST&f=35&t=22088
Posted sample from the first 30 seconds of Money. I can post more samples if needed.
Posted sample from the first 30 seconds of Money. I can post more samples if needed.
That's quite suprising actually. How did you capture the SACD audio? Is this the CD layer of the SACD?
Here's the MFSL Master of Money in Adobe Audition's wave editor. I also will post the statistics for the file as well. (The ReplayGain level for this song is -1.06 dB).
http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v192/C..._Money_MFSL.png
Stats:
http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v192/C...y_MFSL_stat.png
i would assume the mfsl recording is superior, no?
anyways, it is around the trading circles now, and below is a snippet of the .nfo from the seed:
i hope this helps or adds something new to the discussion
later
anyways, it is around the trading circles now, and below is a snippet of the .nfo from the seed:
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What is Ultradisc ?
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By the mid 80's, concerns about the degradation & potential loss of the Studio Master Recordings on magnetic archival media, sparked a wide effort to restore these tapes into their original condition.
Audiophile CD's and LP's were re-mastered to 24 karat gold-plated CD's from the original master tapes with sonic clarity unheard of until now.
Because each of these CD's were limited editions and the company has gone out of business, this re-mastered CD is no longer available from any source whatsoever.
CD-Writing
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You now have the opportunity to own a copy of this fully restored CD.
Even though there is very slight & minor sound quality loss by transferring the entire restored gold-plated CD to CD-R, the sound quality will nevertheless greatly exceed that of the standard Retail-purchased di$
Retail CD's are simply hi-distortion & poor-quality "Production Copies".
This ISO is the only means you will ever have of owning any copy of it.
There are no other sources.
Tracks
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1. Speak to Me
2. Breathe
3. On the Run
4. Time
5. The great Gig in the Sky
6. Money
7. Us and Them
8. Any Colour you like
9. Brain Damage
10. Eclipse
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By the mid 80's, concerns about the degradation & potential loss of the Studio Master Recordings on magnetic archival media, sparked a wide effort to restore these tapes into their original condition.
Audiophile CD's and LP's were re-mastered to 24 karat gold-plated CD's from the original master tapes with sonic clarity unheard of until now.
Because each of these CD's were limited editions and the company has gone out of business, this re-mastered CD is no longer available from any source whatsoever.
CD-Writing
----------
You now have the opportunity to own a copy of this fully restored CD.
Even though there is very slight & minor sound quality loss by transferring the entire restored gold-plated CD to CD-R, the sound quality will nevertheless greatly exceed that of the standard Retail-purchased di$
Retail CD's are simply hi-distortion & poor-quality "Production Copies".
This ISO is the only means you will ever have of owning any copy of it.
There are no other sources.
Tracks
------
1. Speak to Me
2. Breathe
3. On the Run
4. Time
5. The great Gig in the Sky
6. Money
7. Us and Them
8. Any Colour you like
9. Brain Damage
10. Eclipse
i hope this helps or adds something new to the discussion
later
Mobile Fidelity has been back in business for quite some time now. They are releasing original master recordings on SACD now, hybrid, both layers utilizing their mastering processes.
Info:
http://www.mofi.com/
Info:
http://www.mofi.com/
[IN case anyone still cares about this thread, the CD and SACD layers of the DSotM SACD have indeed been measured to be different masterings, with the former being louder/more compressed, than the latter. Stereophile magazine's website has the figures, though I don't have the link handy.
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