My sister just bought (ok ok... I just bought) Justin Timberlake's new album, and can't for the life of me rip it to my computer.

The cover clearly sais "will not play on PC/MAC" and the cd itself has "Sony DADC" written on the inside play-side, so I'm assuming it is the Key2Audio protection?

The cd just doesn't register at all, Windows Explorer, CDex, EAC, CloneCD - none of them can detect a cd in the drive, I've not seen anything like this!

I have a HL-DT-STCD-RW GCE-8160B (er.. It said LG on the box, but every program calls it that), and a LITEON DVD-ROM LTD163D. From reading around on cdfreaks, it seems some of the later LiteOn drives can read through this protection, however mine just refueses.

Is there any way around this travesty? I'm not sure about firmware upgrades.. does Pio know anything about this?
Thanks

Btw.. Zeropaid suggests I go to radioshack and buy a chord with red and white ends ... An analogue copy would be a last resort for me, I don't want to waste 400mb on less than perfect ape's

Hehe - how fast is your internet connection? The US version of Justified has no protection...

have you tried closing the tray with EAC opened and doing a 'detect Toc manually' ?

If that doesn't work you can either record thru line-in or download 32Kbps wmas from Kazaa (Is that cd quality now ? )

I recommend reading terms of service.
Thoroughly. Especially point 9.

I would try Audio Grabber also I think there where some reports of marking the outer edge of the CD with a black marker solving this.

If you really want it bad, then go to the shop and say it's defective...
( you can't read it in your hi-fi CD player)

Well he does own the CD & there are no links.

There are 'methods of bypassing a protection' given...
The CD isn't uncopyrighted...

(bleh, B) strikes again)

personal backup copies are under 'fair use'. I copy every single disc I buyand save the orginal and only play the copies.

IANAL, but 9. says about 'discussing bypassing protection methodologies'...

If you don't have the right drive, there's nothing you can do.
Plextors (and Teacs) are known to rip Key2audio (at least old versions).
You need software like EAC or Feurio. Both implement routines for that protection.
It was easy with my Ultraplex 40x.
A small list of drives with audio protections:
http://produits.zdnet.fr/test/82/1/1330.html

Not in the UK, it is illegal to make any type of copy of a CD. Although nobody takes it to the extreme (so far).

My view FWIW, take it back and ask for a full refund. Personally I would not fund any company using this rubbish, if I buy a CD I should be allowed to play it on whatever I choose, the more of us who return them the sooner they get the message.

@Chun-Yu:
I have 512k downloads, so it's faesable to get it off the net, however nobody seems to be sharing ape or flac files

@/\/eph:
I can't find an option "detect TOC manually" in EAC, neither in the EAC Options or Drive options.. am I blind?
edit:Yes I am... I just found it under 'Actions'.. duuh...

@Astral:
In an ideal world, I would take it back and go without the music, however I do like the tracks, so I don't want to resort to that either Short of getting a refund and ordering it from Tower Records.com, that wouldn't result in me getting it

btw - I don't have a hi-fi cd player, just my pc. My Samsung DVD player reads cd audio, but this actually crashes the player!!

@Westgrove:
I will try the black marker around the edge... see if that has an effect.

@Minix:
Thanks for the link to the drives that work.. what is REALLY annoying is that my oldest PC has a Sony CDU387 (or a similar number)... if only it were a touch newer If nothing else works, I'll be forced to embarrass myself and see if it plays in any of my friends drives


Thankyou for all the responses so far..

mekon21: So we're not allowed to buy a cd, rip it using the codec of our choice and then listen to it on our computer legally?

AstralStorm: There's every right to rip your own CD for your own use. Anything else would be plain insane.

The idea of point 9 is that discussion about cracks is not allowed.

Ripping CD is just ripping CD... There's not any "active" protection in these discs which will be cracked. So ripping CD can't imo be categorized under "bypassing (active) protection".

they are here, it depens on the contry's legislation, however in Europe and the US the enforcement of these laws is more strict.

I mean, I live in Colombia, the police is too busy preventing terrorism than prosecuting cd copiers. But anyway here it is legal to copy your own discs.

As I said, IANAL
Some clarification in TOS would be nice.

My solution for the problem - don't buy copy-damaged discs.

EDIT:
Here (Poland) it is still legal too... but once we get into EU, it might change

Finland updated its legislation about this just some time ago. Here it's perfectly legal to rip any CD you want for your own purposes, and we are a member of EU. I think the argumentation was, that since products which rely on ripping are allowed, ripping must be allowed too. Otherwise it would be very contradictory to sell products which can be only used by breaking the law.

I don't know if there will be any general EU legislation about this, but there are too many products on the market which rely on the fact that the legal owner of a CD can rip his own music and use it with these products. So I'm suspecting that if there will be any general EU directive, it will say that ripping your own CDs will be allowed, otherwise the directive would restrict the markets of these other products which rely on the possiblity of ripping.

I was never that fussed with the legality of it, there *should* be more important issues for the government / police / business suits to deal with

Just a friendly reminder. There are no laws within the European Union that prohibits copying of self-bought CD:s. But there is a law with prohibits decryption of DVD discs and similar. So ripping copy protected CD:s is perfectly legal as long as you don't copy other people's CD:s or try to sell the copies...

British copyright law is one of the tightest in the world, we are not allowed to make copies of any copyright material in whole or part. It is not even legal to make a copy to play on another machine cassettes mini-disc etc, the it's okay for personal use or backup does not apply here. Not many are aware of this as people have been copying stuff for years, CD's tapes etc and companies are unlikely to do anything about it, bad press, not worth the effort for individuals who are only copying for their own use etc. In the UK they would be quite within their legal rights to do something if it ever came to it, I was not aware of this until I read an article in Computer Active last month regarding copyright. The above info comes from that article.

Cheers


PS I don't know how it works but I would imagine that National laws supercede EU laws.

I think that this kind of laws are ridiculous, If I copy my own cd in IK then I could go to jail? I don't think so. Who contrlols that? I think that I can do that I want with my stuff (cds and cd recorder), nobody have rights over my own cds, if I copy for backup or what ever is my business, In my country one article (14) of the national Constitution protect me from this ridiculous laws.
The trouble here, in my country, is the piracy, it's sells more copys than the legals shops, the police and autorithys does nothing to stop the piracy. One pirate cd is selling for $1,80 and one legal cd for $7 and one black cd-r for $0.30, and there is no cds with copy protections at all. The piracy is killing the music industry here.-

I am not a lawyer, but I remember reading that in trade disputes EU/Common Market laws prevail. If the laws of the federation were not primary it wouldn't be much of a federation, would it? But, ask a lawyer on this. The fact is that we doubt the CD police will break your door down for copying a CD illegally no matter where you are. I think it is the distribution of copies where the authorities get upset.

[quote=boojum,May 3 2003 - 09:09 PM] [QUOTE=mekon21,May 3 2003 - 03:01 PM]PS I don't The fact is that we doubt the CD police will break your door down for copying a CD illegally no matter where you are. I think it is the distribution of copies where the authorities get upset. [/quote]
I agree

I also bought the cd (in Holland) and found out is was copy protected. I tried ripping it with EAC with all the secure modes on (C2 etc.) and EAC reread every second of the cd. Than I turned on the burst mode and it ripped without all the error retrieval with twice the speed as normal. Are the ripped songs 'bad' because of the burst mode and the error retrievals turned off. The cd is brand new with no scratches.

I listened to two songs and couldn't hear any clicks or other stuff.

Forsafety reasons, you can still rip the CD in buffered burst mode with EAC's Test & Copy ... that way, you should be relatively sure that you received a perfect rip.

I saw that the cd is also 'rippable' in fast mode. What's the better way of ripping, in fast or burst mode or is there no real difference. The cd is new and unscratched. My driver supports all the options in secure mode: accurate stream, cashes audio and capable of retrieving C2.

No, they don't.

But normally National laws cover more topics and points that EU ones, which are more "general"

Jeez, doesn't that basically make an MP3 player illegal, if not just plain unusable? How are you supposed to get the music you purchased on CD onto your portable? Or does everyone in the UK make their own music for their own portables? Seems a bit excessive if you ask me, and I thought the US laws in many cases were ridiculous.

Reiteration, but this cannot be true. It renders MP3 players, ipods, everything illegal.

Mac : Go to Cash Converters / Generators, buy a real old looking cd-rom for £2 and see if that will rip it.

I have three CDs protected by Key2Audio. My CD-RW drive was able to read them all after i put some small pieces of scotch tape over the corrupt data session (it is possible to see the sessions as separate "rings" under the disc).