Our new design Flash Base Player will release June or July in China.

1.Play mp3,wma,mpc,ogg vorbis(limited)
2.32 bit ARM decoder + good DAC, 100db SNR
3.5 band EQ
4.USB Mass Storage
5.FM 76-108MHz
6.Voice and FM recorder
7.LRC or lyrics3 v2
8.Text reader
9.Multi Task

todo
1.directory play and custom playlist
2.mpc and ogg vorbis seek
3.QSound effect
4.Text reader bookmark

I'll buy it, I'll buy it! Will it clean house, too? Sounds super and I am looking forward to seeing it. Good luck.

would you be able to export to the U.S.?

aren't mpc's rather large to be put on a flashbased device?

This sounds great!

Can't wait to find out more info

Btw, any chance of the player reading Ape2 tags and Vorbis comments?

support Id3v1v2, ape tag v1v2, Vorbis comment, can display title,artist and albulm

for chinese version firmware, only ascii and chinese char can be display.
current only iso8859-1 and chinese version firmware.

What is(are) the storage space(s)?

And, if it's big, do you plan to support lossless?

first 128MB, cost < RMB 1500
also has a Smart Media Card slot, so 256MB max now
not big enough to support lossless.
when we consider 512MB, lossless will be considered also.

(w00t)


I just didn't know what to say

Tuesday, May 13, 2003
1,500 Chinese Yuan Renminbi = 156.999 Euro
1,500 Chinese Yuan Renminbi = 238.073 Swiss Franc
1,500 Chinese Yuan Renminbi = 181.444 US Dollar

OMG I want it NOW NOW NOW !!! (w00t)

Will it ever be available in Europe ?

Do you plan on releasing a CD or HD based player with OGG or MPC support too ?

Sweeeeet!!!

yup...


just the thing am been waiting for...

btw.. is there a url..

Well yes probably, but in this case, any other format will be worse, if you encode them at the equivalent quality of mpc -quality 5 -xlevel (maybe a bit out of point, i guess). I assume the basic aim of this player is to give people the choice to pick the format they want to stuff in it.

If the developers can marry good audio and hardware quality with the audio 'standards' that HA.org practises, yeah, it's going to be a hit (at least with HA.org-ers), and I hope they'll sell it in Singapore too.

Edit: How do you quote with reference to an earlier post?

interesting and nice to see.
Do you have steady contact with Frank Klemm about this? needless to say he might be of great help, but I assume you have alread settled this.
I would like to see Microdrive support

I would be happy if it had CF type I,II, and III which would allow 3.5 and 2.5 hard drive support support . Currently at 320Gb

CompactFlash Type III ? What's that ?

Its when Type I and II are used together, So 2x type I/II are needed, which I can't see happening

What is meant by "vorbis(limited)"?

I thought I read that mpc is still subject to some change, so is
updateable firmware required?

Hit the "quote" button on the post you want to quote instead of the "add reply" button at the top.

Vorbis abuses on memory usage at low bitrates.

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....=ST&f=9&t=6975&

BTW: @c.b.2000: You mention you supported AAC on your player, in that thread. Is it still being planned, or are there licensing issues?

Maybe, at last there will be a reason to check out the --qualities 3 and 4
--
Ge Someone

why should it be so?
subjective opinion.
I say no - you say yes.
I use a setting which yields in ~224kbps, I find this most pleasing, and the amount of files I could store on the unit whould suffice my needs, say I'd use --quality 5, this number should be even lower and yet transparent.
In the end, speaking of MPC in whole being "too large" is a subjective matter which can only be decided by oneself.

It can also be decided by comparing it to other formats, and where these formats reach "good quality" (no transparency needed, I think, since transparency usually isn't the biggest concern on flash portables, and size vs. quality efficiency is the must)

Just my opinion...

yeah, that souds reasonable.
I think now that MPC is to be portable, transparency will be more of a concern for many, and since standard is transparent at a relatively small size it's not a bad choice of encoder. One album per card.
Ideal for me would be 512MB cards :B
how nice wouldn't it be to store a lossless album on such a card :B hehe
oh well. This will be interesting to see anyway, I'm crossing my fingers for the prosperity of this project.

Go with Secure Digital and right now you'll be able to go for 512MB. As a side benefit, SD cards can be used in PDA's.

I can't undestand the SmartMedia choice. This format is now stopped ; 128 Mb is the maximum ; robustness isn't very good (I killed some of mine). Why not Compact Flash ? There are universal, very cheap (256 MB cards are reasonably priced, and you can store 2h30 at insane profile), robust...
SD cards, MMC, Xd... are smaller than SmartMedia.

Are there some licensing issues ?

Why Smart Media? I have money tied up in CF for my digital camera.

Compact Flash indeed, and with that, support for Microdrive is not distant.

I though microdrive would work on any Type II CF ???

Thank you for the news, c.b.2000!
Keep us up to date!

Compact Flash would be good, but it's bigger and *supposedly* draws more power. I'm certainly not against using CF, but the world is moving towards smaller cards and SD fits that mould nicely.

If you want small, the future is mini-SD, or RS-MMC

Left to right: CF, Smartmedia, SD, xD.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NPICS1/OLY...RD_COMP_1_L.JPG

vorbis support limited to libVorbis I 20020717 32-48khz, >=64kbps
firmware can be updated throught usb port.
aac support need Dolby license.
CF is bigger and need nore power
MMC is expencive than SMC

This sounds very cool for an MPC --quality 5 --xlevel user like me, especially if it manages to play gaplessly between files. No need to transcode, just put 2 or 3 albums on the portable and go. (And given that my current portable is an old Sony MD Walkman, with 74 minutes per disc, this would be a step up)

100dB SNR sounds good if there's no low-level hiss when playing it quietly and/or with high sensitivity headphones.

The one thing I didn't see that I'd really want is ReplayGain support (from APEv2 tag and vorbiscomment, with selectable Album or Track Gain mode). If it had that (it would only need to read the tags I've added in Foobar2000 and apply the correct volume change - it wouldn't have to scan files to calculate their loudness), then I'd be utterly smitten!

I'd been thinking that my ideal portable might end up being something that would run Foobar2000 on a portable or a pocket PC with a good DAC and good audio circuitry, as nobody else seemed willing to make one with the features and format I want. If that would also support foo_crossfeed.dll for listening on headphones/earphones (or implement crossfeed in hardware), and would support playlists of my favourite compilations, I'd be completely satisfied.

Getting more far-fetched... Ideally the "front end" would also be lightweight and detachable from the media device so it could be upgraded to a large but bulkier hard disk (great for recording, if it has a good line-in and ADC), could use light and small compact flash or smart media (great for casual use and while running/cycling if it's light enough), or could support CD or DVD media or perhaps even MiniDisc discs, or could even have storage devices shaped like audio cassettes so you can play it in car tape decks etc. (there's already a flash MP3 player in the UK, carrying BT's brand that looks like and acts as a cassette as well as having its own headphone jack). Preferably these storage media would also be capable of daisychaining (each plugs into the previous one) so you can transfer files between them. And preferably it could also be used to transfer files to and from computers.

But if this thing has all I need for great sound, I'd be very happy with that, so I look forward to finding out.

Yeah but the problem with these smaller cards is that the capacity just really isn't there yet. I have 512mb CF card and would get a bigger one if there was an mpc CF based player. The largest Smart Media card I have been able to find is 128MB. since my MPC files have been averaging about 6-7MB that is only about 18-21 songs. Hardly worth it except for the thrill of finally someone making a hardware mpc device.

Who makes the 512 SD cards? I have only seen 256 right now.

e.g. here,
found by this google search.

EDIT:

LOL

okay duh...ya got me...i went to a couple of manufacturers sites but hadn't done a google search. Slap me with a wet noodle.

Wow...alot more expensive than a 512MB CF. i guess it's a trade off in size and power consumption...

CF II support would be nice, even if my batteries don't last that long. I already own a microdrive so it would be be nice to use it in the player!

And the pundits say there's nothing to be gained by transcoding to a higher bit rate!

users' opinion:

If once the great work is done of programming an mpc decoder for the flash based player,

it should not be much work to adjust it and built into a standalone DVD/CD-Player !

Because even cheap stand-alone players have normally perfect sound quality by digital out, and MPC stands for Quality !

Another goal (besides flash based player):

CD-R based players......




Many many thanks in advance....

Why doesn't the player support replaygain? Isn't it just a preamp?

c.b.2000:

Can you PM me with details for resellers? (ie. bulk prices)
Will you make CD and HD based players too? Support for more languages? Thanks.

im looking for a portable DVD-mp3/Ogg player

yeah, I want something along those lines too...supposedly there are DVD players that play DVD-mp3 discs (Data DVD's with mp3s on them) , so possibly eventually...I'll have to get a DVD burner first though...but if they make it DVD, they will want to put DVD Video support on it, for pointless reasons, and that'll just make it too big.

first mpc player sounds cool! hopefully it will spread the popularity of the format thus forcing apple to have a firmware update with support! erm... sorry i just ordered a 15 gb and i have to admit just by the description, i'm already jealous do you have design pics or anything similar?

Original post said June/July. Anymore news on this considering July is almost up

Yes... more news would be great!