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Emanuel

May 14 2003, 02:03

From the press release regarding Winzip 9 beta at http://www.winzip.com/pr90beta.htm:

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WinZip's new encryption capabilities, included at no extra charge, support 128- and 256-bit Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) encryption for state-of-the-art data security. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) selected AES as the standard for both governmental and private data encryption. WinZip's implementation of AES encryption is FIPS-197 certified by NIST.

Other enhancements include support for 64-bit extensions to the Zip file format, which eliminate all practical restrictions on Zip file capacity, and support for the "enhanced deflate" compression method, which compresses data better than ever.

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JamesBond

May 14 2003, 02:52

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...which compresses data better than ever.

yes, better than the old .zip

what do we need winzip for?

Winrar rulez...

Jospoortvliet

May 14 2003, 03:05

QUOTE(JamesBond @ May 14 2003 - 09:52 AM)

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...which compresses data better than ever.

yes, better than the old .zip

what do we need winzip for?

Winrar rulez...

aaaah thats something I can agree with

JohnV

May 14 2003, 03:14

I use WinRAR also. It does everything WinZip does, and lots more.

JEN

May 14 2003, 03:18

I thought 7z had the best compression?

manni

May 14 2003, 03:35

There's a comparison at Archive Comparison Test but it doesn't include new WinZip.

RIV@NVX

May 14 2003, 03:45

QUOTE(JohnV @ May 14 2003 - 11:14 AM)

I use WinRAR also. It does everything WinZip does, and lots more.

/me seconds that

Emanuel

May 14 2003, 04:59

Just a quick test of a 306 016 857 bytes folder with mixed contents:

Winzip 9 with option Maximum
244 826 848 bytes

Winzip 9 with new option Maximum (Enhanced deflate)
243 842 525 bytes

Winrar 3.11 with option Best
236 631 674 bytes

Cobra

May 14 2003, 06:06

Forget about WinZIP, it sucks deeply (more descriptive version: low compression, not free, bloated).

Use 7-zip www.7-zip.org

Also check this thread: "Better [than] Zip Compression"

Emanuel

May 14 2003, 07:59

I'm not sure from where you get the impression of "bloated", but I certainly agree with your other points.

At his point I find very few "optimal" compressors. Either they are slow, hard for most people to handle, not spread wide enough, has too low compression rate or are not free. As for me, Winrar is the most balanced considering theese factors.

rjamorim

May 14 2003, 09:44

One feature I like a lot in WinZIP, and I couldn't ever find anywhere else, is "TAR file smart CR/LF conversion"

Very, very useful for people dealing with source code inside tar.gz archives.

For everything else, I use WinRAR

Andavari

May 14 2003, 11:54

Until WinZip supports the ability to decompress RAR, and ACE archives, and at least has the ability to create CAB archives it will in my eyes remain to be just another zip utility.

marteataca

May 14 2003, 21:23

Winrar kicks ass! i just cant live wout the function "extract here" hehe
AND i can put passwords that will hide the contents of the file. perfect!

Negative Zero

May 14 2003, 21:34

If this thing actually offered better compression that WinRAR, I'd consider it. But like many of the rest of you, I'll stick to WinRAR as my software of choice...

rjamorim

May 14 2003, 21:43

QUOTE(Andavari @ May 14 2003 - 02:54 PM)

Until WinZip supports the ability to decompress RAR, and ACE archives, and at least has the ability to create CAB archives it will in my eyes remain to be just another zip utility.

I agree. Being unable to decompress RAR, LZH (internally) and ACE is shameful.

And I also find strange that they don't support CAB compression. It comes bundled with every Windows version, you don't even need special compressing and decompressing code - just some DLL calls.

But WinRAR and 7-zip aren't much better in that regard either.

I use HeleCAB for CAB compressing, too bad it stopped being developed in 2000.

Megaman

May 15 2003, 01:18

QUOTE(marteataca @ May 14 2003 - 07:23 PM)

Winrar kicks ass! i just cant live wout the function "extract here" hehe
AND i can put passwords that will hide the contents of the file. perfect!

Yeah!! , Extract Here all the way!!

.Extremely useful.
I use WinRAR mainly since 2.0 , I used to use WinACE also , great app , but its interface is kind of slow compared to WinRAR.

I remember I used WinCAB ages ago , but I never really use CAB files for personal archives because the CAB format lacks important features.

WinZip is mainly for the newbies

kotrtim

May 16 2003, 00:49

QUOTE(rjamorim @ May 14 2003 - 07:43 PM)

And I also find strange that they don't support CAB compression. It comes bundled with every Windows version, you don't even need special compressing and decompressing code - just some DLL calls.

WinZip can't open some .cab files that WinRAR can, isn't it weird?

Edit: Using WinRAR........
And "Extract here" option in explorer is really cool and easy to use!
I think WinRAR has the best UI, even 7z UI can't compete wwith WinRAR.

rjamorim

May 16 2003, 02:47

QUOTE(kotrtim @ May 16 2003 - 03:49 AM)

WinZip can't open some .cab files that WinRAR can, isn't it weird?

Not really.

I would believe WinZip is being compiled with deprecated MS CAB SDK libraries, that don't support LZX method (they support only Quantum and mszip). IIRC, these libraries got updated around 1997. :B (I know that, because Win95SR2's cabinet.dll chokes on some CAB files too)

WinRAR is either compiled with latest libraries, or is dinamically linking to Windows' cabinet.dll, that from Win98 on supports all CAB formats.

For those interested in the MS CAB SDK:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default..../html/cabdl.asp

Regards;

Roberto.

kotrtim

May 16 2003, 10:38

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(bytes)

File size    760,833

mszip    152,108
winzip 147,912
7z 143,635
wirar    148,767
winace 148,803

bad job again winzip!
7z and 7z's zip rulezzzzzzzzzz

VLSI

May 16 2003, 19:42

QUOTE(rjamorim @ May 14 2003 - 10:44 AM)

One feature I like a lot in WinZIP, and I couldn't ever find anywhere else, is "TAR file smart CR/LF conversion"

Very, very useful for people dealing with source code inside tar.gz archives.

Yeah, this is a great feature. Unfortunately, WinZip's implementation isn't terribly smart. I don't know if 8.1 SR-1 still does this, but it would perform ASCII conversion on binary files such as jpegs.

When the bzip2 & IJG test units failed, I hadn't a clue what was going wrong until I searched for help on Google.

Andavari

May 17 2003, 00:00

QUOTE(VLSI @ May 16 2003 - 07:42 PM)

I don't know if 8.1 SR-1 still does this, but it would perform ASCII conversion on binary files such as jpegs.

8.1 SR-1 still does something to files it doesn't understand how to display - or that are too big for it. I just encountered it for the first time yesterday, it truncated a file, whereas WinRAR, and WinAce would allow for the full viewing of the file.

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