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New Ripping Guide for EAC

Hello Colleagues ,

I'd like to shortly introduce the EAC guide I've made.

I've spent several years on HA now, reading and exchanging thoughts with others. Meanwhile I learnt things that I didn't know before, that are written in no guide but I wouldn't want to miss anymore. (Sounds familiar? )

Nothing in EAC is as important as a correct drive config. Nevertheless, EAC guides generally neglect this step. The result: unpleasant surprises, and many questions (even from advanced users). Pio2001 had the excellent idea to put that essential info in a FAQ. I've made this guide to make sure newbies get that info right from the start. Shortens your learning trajectory, saves you frustrations . Pio2001 was immediately enthusiastic and offered to review the guide (thank you for that).

The guide is clear & simple, but correct. Some time is spent for fundamental things (how EAC basically works) and based on that, letting the reader realize how certain settings affect rip quality. By giving people such insights, I think a lot of the usual trouble can be prevented.

One sentence to say it all: This is the guide I wish I had back when I was a newbie.

The guide is written and here ends my job. Now it is up to you guys to link to this guide, so that it reaches the audience it is meant for. Feedback is appreciated as well.

Best Regards,
liekloo

(EDIT: url update, November 2005)

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Hello Colleagues ,

I'd like to shortly introduce the EAC guide I've made.

The guide is clear & simple, but correct. Some time is spent for fundamental things (how EAC basically works) and based on that, letting the reader realize how certain settings affect rip quality. By giving people such insights, I think a lot of the usual trouble can be prevented.

One sentence to say it all: This is the guide I wish I had back when I was a newbie.

The guide is written and here ends my job. Now it is up to you guys to link to this guide, so that it reaches the audience it is meant for. Feedback is appreciated as well.

Best Regards,
liekloo
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As I'm still fairly new to ripping.  And went through a lot of websites and forums, here.  And still not sure in some areas.  I've started reading your new guide.  Good Job!  Kudo's!  Thanks!  It is clear and simple. 

I have not gotten to the Tell Me More  part, yet, which is the stuff I know little about. 

However, you have one link so far, that doesn't work: 

For a 'Various Artists' CD mark   'Various Artists' and name ...

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Hello Colleagues ,

Now it is up to you guys to link to this guide, so that it reaches the audience it is meant for. Feedback is appreciated as well.

Best Regards,
liekloo
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Another slight correction:  Where it has: 

The file 01 - Wild World contains T1, in which 00:00:00 to 00:00:03 is a gap  

Should be  :33  and not  :03 

Sorry, I write training for software for a living, and I can't help but notice these things.

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On the guide: Ripping Guide -> Configuring -> Drive Options
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Gap detection starts and should take only a few seconds per track. Do the same for Methods B and C. The fastest of the 3 Methods is the best for your drive. If none of the 3 works (typically EAC will 'hang' on a track) change Secure into Accurate or Inaccurate and run through the 3 methods again.

About 10 hours ago I was trying to detect the gaps on a CD with alot of scratches, and other visible damage that looked like scuff marks. EAC slowed down on many tracks, even though the correct gap detection method was selected. You may want to include information about scratched CD's and possible slowdowns when detecting gaps.
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On the guide: Tell Me More -> Repairing a damaged CD
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3. Clean with water. If you think you've done enough, clean the CD with water. Be careful when you wipe off the water (this causes new scratces). A radial direction is a good idea.

What! Are you saying to wipe the disc in a circle?
For years its been stated (even by record labels on the disc packaging) to wipe from the center circle to the outer edges, hence making a scratch going from center to outer edge usually won't produce serious problems, versus going in a circle may make a track un-rippable/un-playable.
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I'd think some information about looking at the read surface on a CD before trying to rip it to see if it needs to be cleaned would make a nice addition. A fingerprint or other residue (dust/skin flake) can cause some headaches and drastic slowdowns. Just about every CD I have ever ripped needs to either be blown on to get visible dust particals off it, or needs to be cleaned.

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I've was downloading your guide with httrack
[ http://www.httrack.com/ ]

and I got some errors:
06:24:43 Error:  "Not Found" (404) at link home-12.tiscali-business.nl/~tpm54044/eac/sub/VA.png (from home-12.tiscali-
business.nl/~tpm54044/eac/eac3.htm)

Probably because of UNIX being case sensitive:
http://home-12.tiscali-business.nl/~tpm54044/eac/sub/VA.PNG

Thought I would give you a heads up.

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What! Are you saying to wipe the disc in a circle?
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Radial means from the center out, as in on the radius.
"You can fight without ever winning, but never win without a fight."  Neil Peart  'Resist'

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Glad to have such attentive readers. Thanks, all of you 

I tried to reply earlier, but right when I was available the forum seemed to be down.

As Dreamliner pointed out, the word 'radial' means from center to edge (this is also said in the guide). So there is nothing to worry about, Andavari

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Reply #7
This is a nice guide but it needs a nice logo & brand name 

You know, like it belongs to something & to know a large group of people are using it for it's purpose

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a little bit ot...
is Brasso only available in the UK (where it was invented AFAIK) and maybe the US, or does it also go under some other name in Europe?
I know one could use any other metal polish, but Brasso seems to be popular.
Nothing but a Heartache - Since I found my Baby ;)

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This is a nice guide but it needs a nice logo & brand name

I was just thinking the same thing: a guide without a name is like a person without a name. Doomed to stay unknown  . I'll call it "the Essential ripping guide".

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is Brasso only available in the UK (where it was invented AFAIK) and maybe the US, or does it also go under some other name in Europe? I know one could use any other metal polish, but Brasso seems to be popular.

Good question, I don't know. The guide mentions the name 'brasso' because it is so known for this purpose (removing scratches from CDs). In reality you can use any similar product. I for instance, have never used the brand "Brasso", what I use is copper polish.

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In France Brasso is unknown. There are two big manufacturers :
Bulher makes "Bul'argent" for silver and "Bul'cuivre" for copper.
Henkel makes "Argentil" for silver and "Miror" for Copper.

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it reads everything twice and compares. Differences between the two reads indicate bad, misread parts, which EAC will then keep reading untill the data doesn't change anymore (= untill the data is correct). This so-called secure mode takes time, but your rip is flawless.

I am not sure what you mean by "data doesn't change anymore".
It re-reads untill it is statisticly almost certain that it found the correct result.

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If an error occurs (read or sync error), the program keeps on reading this sector, until eight of 16 retries are identical, but at maximum one, three or five times (according to the error recovery quality) these 16 retries are read. So, in the worst case, bad sectors are read up to 82 times!

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Good question, I don't know. The guide mentions the name 'brasso' because it is so known for this purpose (removing scratches from CDs). In reality you can use any similar product. I for instance, have never used the brand "Brasso", what I use is copper polish.
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In France Brasso is unknown. There are two big manufacturers :
Bulher makes "Bul'argent" for silver and "Bul'cuivre" for copper.
Henkel makes "Argentil" for silver and "Miror" for Copper.

  o.k., thank you. I will use a cheapo brand from a local store then. just felt a little unsure, as all web resources I came across metioned all mighty Brasso somehow.
Nothing but a Heartache - Since I found my Baby ;)

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Reply #13
I've had quite alot of success on minor scratches with toothpaste.
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Reply #14
Really good guide.  I must say it is much more clearer than most of the guides I've read, not to name any names  and has a really good layout.

The one thing I might suggest is integrating it into HA...
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Edit: Forgot to say thanks for the great guide. Easily one of the best I've seen to date.

Edit: Erm, posted dumb question. Figured it out for myself.

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Thanks, liekloo..!

 

~esa

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EAC will keep reading untill the data doesn't change anymore (= untill the data is correct
I am not sure what you mean by "data doesn't change anymore". It re-reads untill it is statisticly almost certain that it found the correct result.
Yes that is what it means, i.e. consistent results over multiple read attempts. I'll rephraze the sentence in question.
Additionally, Digga's (relevant) brasso question is now answered in the guide.

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Really good guide (...) The one thing I might suggest is integrating it into HA...

Very relevant remark. However at this moment this would go beyond my available time.

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Reply #18
Thank you, this guide has helped me a lot - including the tip about using Brasso - it works - and so does your wonderful guide.     

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Reply #19
Yup . . . thanks for the great guide. It explained a couple of things, (like the error correction and C2 thing), better than I had seen before.

Now I understand.   

Thanks.

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Reply #20
Why not incorporate the excellent guide into the HA KB/Wiki?

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Why not incorporate the excellent guide into the HA KB/Wiki?
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Hi there...
I have a suggestion..

in the guide.. you have this commandline for Ogg encoder:
-q 5 -a "%a" -t "%t" -l "%g" -d "%y" -N "%n" -G "%m" %s -o %d

But, if you select "Ogg Vorbis Encoder" in the 'External Compression' > 'Parameter passing scheme', this should be enough: -q 5
Since EAC will then set the tags automatically... (v0.95 prebeta5)

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Hello Colleagues ,

I'd like to shortly introduce the EAC guide I've made.


Wow~~~ I hat off to you liekloo 

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Reply #23
Really nice guide liekloo!, it has a lot of stuff other guides suppose the user already knows, many thanks!
we was young an' full of beans

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Reply #24
Its not available any more (HTTP Error 404) 

Does anybody knows if it is mirrored somewhere elese?


TNX


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