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Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #375 –
All of the Musica Transonic discs that were mastered by Nanjo Asahito.  XYOSFBIGKOU is the only listenaable one, and that was done by Yoshide.  Here is a sample from the 1st Musica Transonic disc mastered by Nanjo.  I can't tell you what it's called cause it's in Greek:  30 sec sample.

I tried to get a refund from the record company (P.S.F.), but all I got was a polite PFO.  It really is terrible.

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #376 –
I read in many articles, that the 2006 debut album of the Arctic Monkeys is one of the biggest casualties of the loudness war.
But it isn't that bad, it has only a -9.26dB RG. Yeah, it is bad if you were to be comparing to albums of the 80s and 90s, but I also own CDs from similar genres released before the Arctic Monkeys that have a more negative dB value, like -10 or -11dB!

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #377 –
Quote from: superfastkyle on
Quote from: greynol on

...not to mention that the original bass and drum tracks by Daisley and Kerslake were replaced with recordings by Trujillo and Bordin.


Really? I had no idea not even the same tracks? why would they do that? I knew something was off but I had no clue they were different recordings!

Why can't I know information like this before throwing my money away?

I know it's late to talk about it but I guess there was confusion.
There are different remastered versions of Blizzard of Ozz (1980). One is from 1995 (22 bits SBM), other 2002 with rewritten drums and bass.

Quote from: /mnt on
Fear Factory - Transgression (Alot of clicks and the bonus live tracks were from a lossy audio codec source like mp3 @ 32 kbps)

I noticed that too.  Previous albums like Archetype, Digimortal, Obsolete and Demanufacture are well done.

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Reply #378 –
I analysed the two tracks that Metallica released as singles from their upcoming new album and I must say that I'm really really disappointed. Mastering-wise they have learned nothing at all since "St. Anger". The RG value of "The Day That Never Comes" is -13.7 dB and "My Apocalypse" doesn't fare much better with -11.3 dB. After TDTNC's introductory phase the peakmeter in foobar2000 moves in a range of about three pixels (refresh rate of 5 ms with zero hold time!). That's far less than 1 dB. Even Hypocrisy's Scrutinized (RG: -15 dB) doesn't behave in such an extreme way.

Edit: Here's a picture of the waveform.

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #379 –
Quote from: Hancoque on
I analysed the two tracks that Metallica released as singles from their upcoming new album and I must say that I'm really really disappointed. Mastering-wise they have learned nothing at all since "St. Anger". The RG value of "The Day That Never Comes" is -13.7 dB and "My Apocalypse" doesn't fare much better with -11.3 dB. After TDTNC's introductory phase the peakmeter in foobar2000 moves in a range of about three pixels (refresh rate of 5 ms with zero hold time!). That's far less than 1 dB. Even Hypocrisy's Scrutinized (RG: -15 dB) doesn't behave in such an extreme way.

Edit: Here's a picture of the waveform.

Ah Rick Rubin...the 'great' producer...I think its time Metallica realised that they have become a legacy act ( a band that writes new albums purely for the sake of touring ie: AC/DC)

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #380 –
I'll have to go with Dream Theater's Greatest Hit ...and 21 Other Pretty Cool Songs. The compression on this compilation is just unacceptable...
 

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #381 –
At time of writing:

Metallica - Death magnetic

This Metallica album is really bad, quality wise.

(I like the songs much better than St. Anger, though)

This album is as bad as their first single from this album mentioned above.

The single was actually so bad-sounding that iTunes refused to sell it.
And I agree, nobody should have to pay for this crap, mostly clippingnoise.
It's a disgrase to any digital format.

Heavily over-clippressed, which gives wall of noise, and absolutely no dynamics.

Album RG value -13.44dB


Some years ago I thought the LOUDNESS war/race couldn't get any worse...I was wrong. 

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #382 –
Quote from: Loke on
At time of writing:

Metallica - Death magnetic

This Metallica album is really bad, quality wise.

(I like the songs much better than St. Anger, though)

This album is as bad as their first single from this album mentioned above.

The single was actually so bad-sounding that iTunes refused to sell it.
And I agree, nobody should have to pay for this crap, mostly clippingnoise.
It's a disgrase to any digital format.

Heavily over-clippressed, which gives wall of noise, and absolutely no dynamics.

Album RG value -13.44dB


Some years ago I thought the LOUDNESS war/race couldn't get any worse...I was wrong. 


Several days ago, I looked on iTunes and the single was available for sale.  What is your source that iTunes initially refused to sell it?  (presumably you're referring to TDTNC).

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Reply #384 –
Quote from: Loke on
This Metallica album is really bad, quality wise.

I couldn't agree more. The compression is unbearable. Especially TDTNC is catastrophic because you can easily hear the distortion caused by it. I really hope the Japanese SHM-CD release, that I have ordered, will be mastered differently, but I rather doubt it. A last resort would be to buy the vinyl version, just to digitize it. This is really making me mad.

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #385 –
Quote from: Hancoque on
I analysed the two tracks that Metallica released as singles from their upcoming new album and I must say that I'm really really disappointed. Mastering-wise they have learned nothing at all since "St. Anger". The RG value of "The Day That Never Comes" is -13.7 dB and "My Apocalypse" doesn't fare much better with -11.3 dB. After TDTNC's introductory phase the peakmeter in foobar2000 moves in a range of about three pixels (refresh rate of 5 ms with zero hold time!). That's far less than 1 dB. Even Hypocrisy's Scrutinized (RG: -15 dB) doesn't behave in such an extreme way.

Edit: Here's a picture of the waveform.


I heard The Day That Never Comes, which the track gain was over -13db and the mastering is terrible, and I recken the final album will be just as bad. Its a shame since that track itself  is a HUGE improvement over Shite Anger and their post Black Album work.

And this yet another example of Rick Rubin going to far in the loudness war. I wish that f****r would stop it, most of the badly mastered CDs I own are produced by him.
"I never thought I'd see this much candy in one mission!"

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #386 –
Quote from: Loke on
At time of writing:

Metallica - Death magnetic

This Metallica album is really bad, quality wise.

(I like the songs much better than St. Anger, though)

This album is as bad as their first single from this album mentioned above.

The single was actually so bad-sounding that iTunes refused to sell it.
And I agree, nobody should have to pay for this crap, mostly clippingnoise.
It's a disgrase to any digital format.

Heavily over-clippressed, which gives wall of noise, and absolutely no dynamics.

Album RG value -13.44dB


Some years ago I thought the LOUDNESS war/race couldn't get any worse...I was wrong. 


 

Dam you Rick Rubin.


Quote from: IgorC on
Quote from: /mnt on

Fear Factory - Transgression (Alot of clicks and the bonus live tracks were from a lossy audio codec source like mp3 @ 32 kbps)

I noticed that too.  Previous albums like Archetype, Digimortal, Obsolete and Demanufacture are well done.


Their debut album Soul Of A New Machine (orginal release) is a nicely mastered for a Death / Industrial Metal album.

But am not sure about Archetype though and there is plenty of bricked tracks on it such as "Cyberwaste", but it does sound better then Transmission though.
"I never thought I'd see this much candy in one mission!"

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #387 –
Quote from: Loke on
At time of writing:

Metallica - Death magnetic

This Metallica album is really bad, quality wise.

(I like the songs much better than St. Anger, though)

This album is as bad as their first single from this album mentioned above.

The single was actually so bad-sounding that iTunes refused to sell it.
And I agree, nobody should have to pay for this crap, mostly clippingnoise.
It's a disgrase to any digital format.

Heavily over-clippressed, which gives wall of noise, and absolutely no dynamics.

Album RG value -13.44dB


Some years ago I thought the LOUDNESS war/race couldn't get any worse...I was wrong. 



It seems that the cd will sound better (clipping-wise) , the RG level should be of about -11 dB vs -13 dB of the previously released singles like TDTNC (that probably comes from a pre-master track).
-11 dB is very loud but much better than -13 dB 

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #388 –
Quote from: vize84 on
It seems that the cd will sound better (clipping-wise) , the RG level should be of about -11 dB vs -13 dB of the previously released singles like TDTNC (that probably comes from a pre-master track).
Sadly not. There is a leaked version of the whole album that in all likelihood has been accidentally sold in France. It has an album gain worse than -13 dB.

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #389 –
Quote from: Hancoque on
Quote from: vize84 on
It seems that the cd will sound better (clipping-wise) , the RG level should be of about -11 dB vs -13 dB of the previously released singles like TDTNC (that probably comes from a pre-master track).
Sadly not. There is a leaked version of the whole album that in all likelihood has been accidentally sold in France. It has an album gain worse than -13 dB.



I know but fortunately it has been proved that the leaked version doesn't come from the cd...

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Reply #390 –
So, there's still hope then? Well, I wouldn't expect too much. The latest Slayer album, also produced by Rick Rubin, has an album gain of about -12.3 dB.

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Reply #391 –
Quote from: Hancoque on
So, there's still hope then? Well, I wouldn't expect too much. The latest Slayer album, also produced by Rick Rubin, has an album gain of about -12.3 dB.


Yes... Read here, I wrote a topic about it http://www.metallicabb.com/index.php?showt...=83111&st=0 I also don't expect too much but a little less clipping diefinetly yes

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Reply #392 –
well Californication was one of the first one's to really grab my head and pound it into a brickwall. the Sunn O))) albums are completely unlistenable. it's just speaker buzz from go to woah.

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #393 –
nevermind

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #394 –
There is a new release of the album circulating. This time it really seems to be a rip of the final CD. They posted a picture of the CD and packaging, which seems genuine. The frequency spectrum also reveals that it has all the frequencies that the encoder (LAME 3.97 V2) preserves. But sadly, the mastering isn't any better in this release at all. Album gain is -13.38 dB and it stills sounds extremely distorted. I'm 99.9% sure that the official release will not differ in any way from this release. If the SHM-CD version is mastered the same (which is highly probable) I will buy the vinyl pressing as a last resort. The CD version is simply unlistenable, unless you like heavy distortion.

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #395 –
Just another bad quality CD from Metallica 

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #396 –
Metallica - Death Magnetic. By a mile.

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #397 –
Quote from: Hancoque on
Quote from: Loke on
This Metallica album is really bad, quality wise.

I couldn't agree more. The compression is unbearable. Especially TDTNC is catastrophic because you can easily hear the distortion caused by it. I really hope the Japanese SHM-CD release, that I have ordered, will be mastered differently, but I rather doubt it. A last resort would be to buy the vinyl version, just to digitize it. This is really making me mad.

Don't get your hopes up, the SHMCD for the last Mars Volta matched the normal release byte to byte as far as music goes (compared EAC logs of the two - same crc on all tracks).

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #398 –
Quote from: Hancoque on
There is a new release of the album circulating. This time it really seems to be a rip of the final CD. They posted a picture of the CD and packaging, which seems genuine. The frequency spectrum also reveals that it has all the frequencies that the encoder (LAME 3.97 V2) preserves. But sadly, the mastering isn't any better in this release at all. Album gain is -13.38 dB and it stills sounds extremely distorted. I'm 99.9% sure that the official release will not differ in any way from this release. If the SHM-CD version is mastered the same (which is highly probable) I will buy the vinyl pressing as a last resort. The CD version is simply unlistenable, unless you like heavy distortion.



Mmh, It seems strange, a lot of version I've found in internet seems to be transcoded from the original wma leaked (that sounds like s...). If you download 6 songs from the original metallica site (using a media catcher) you can see these versions are not so loud (album gain from 6 tracks about -11.8 dB).
Also, try to divide your tracks length by 588 and see if the result is an integer (this means the source is cd)

Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?

Reply #399 –
Quote from: vize84 on
Mmh, It seems strange, a lot of version I've found in internet seems to be transcoded from the original wma leaked (that sounds like s...). If you download 6 songs from the original metallica site (using a media catcher) you can see these versions are not so loud (album gain from 6 tracks about -11.8 dB).
Also, try to divide your tracks length by 588 and see if the result is an integer (this means the source is cd)


Result is an integer. Mastering is pure crap.