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Status Of Iriver's Vorbis Support

http://www.iriver.co.kr/support/qna_list.asp

Search for ogg, look at some of the answers, and you get something on the lines of:

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Hello, dear customer. :)

The [decoder] is being ported.

We're currently porting the fixed point version opened by the [foundation].

The opened code isn't optimized for small embedded systems like

MP3 players, so considerable time is going into optimization.

We are currently cooperating with the [developers] on the port so please wait a little while. : )

Thank you very much.


There canned reply of "under way, please wait some more" has changed now. : )

Status Of Iriver's Vorbis Support

Reply #1 –
always music to my ears  , anybody know for sure if the next firmware release will include ogg vorbis support?

Status Of Iriver's Vorbis Support

Reply #2 –
Haven't been in the Ogg scene so this may sound stupid but is it as good as lame -alt preset extreme?

Status Of Iriver's Vorbis Support

Reply #3 –
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Haven't been in the Ogg scene so this may sound stupid but is it as good as lame -alt preset extreme?


Given that iriver makes portable players, I believe the question you want to ask should be more along the lines of:

"Does ogg vorbis sound as good as lame in low bitrate files?"

The answer is: Better. Tests show that Ogg Vorbis at -q 0 (VBR, averages about 64kbits/s most of the time) is much better than any MP3 at 64kbits/s, and about as good as MP3Pro at 64kbits/s.

Your actual question is impossible to answer, as it is too ambiguous. To take one possible interpretation and answer that: I find alt preset extreme to be transparent. I also personally find Vorbis -q 3.5 (VBR, near 120kbit/s) to be transparent. Therefore, my Vorbis setting is much better than alt-preset extreme because it produces much smaller files. Of course, I also find alt-preset standard to be transparent, so I think that alt-preset standard is better than alt-preset extreme. YMMV, and all that.

Status Of Iriver's Vorbis Support

Reply #4 –
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Haven't been in the Ogg scene so this may sound stupid but is it as good as lame -alt preset extreme?

APE is only marginally better than APS. Samples were APS failes, APE does so as well (transients, etc.). There must be a hundred threads on this board were various quality settings are compared to APS. -q6 is generally considered to be approximately the same quality as APS, some samples will do better here, others there.

The more interesting features are:
- low bitrate (ogg is clearly better than MP3 at bitrates up to 160 kbit; if this is transparent to you (in portable use), ogg is your favourite choice)
- gapless playback
- (hopefully) less VBR problems

Status Of Iriver's Vorbis Support

Reply #5 –
Latest news from the IRiver user forum, 'Eddie' (an IRiver employee) writes:

Engineers are optimizing the performance of Ogg Vorbis Codec, at this moment, the fixed point implementation from xiph is not real time decoding yet


We still have to be a little more patient. We wish IRiver and the great people at Xiph.org all the luck.

Status Of Iriver's Vorbis Support

Reply #6 –
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Engineers are optimizing the performance of Ogg Vorbis Codec, at this moment, the fixed point implementation from xiph is not real time decoding yet


According to the Xiph Hardware Support Page, iRiver has already released test devices. I don't think they would have done that if the decoder wasn't implemented properly yet.

Status Of Iriver's Vorbis Support

Reply #7 –
There are a few posts by Xiph.org CEO Emmett Plant on the iRiver user forum.
Current status is that Xiph has received demo boards from iRiver and they are still working on the implementation of Ogg Vorbis. But we need to be patient still.
iRiver user Forum

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Fortunately, things are looking very nice from over here as far as Vorbis is concerned. Can I get a 'moo-ha-ha?'

Emmett Plant
CEO, Xiph.org Foundation

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Reply #8 –
Yahoooooooooooooooooo


I want to kiss Emmett  and iRiver guys,too 


My money is not waste when buy a iRiver player     


The onlything is doubt is power using (very important with a portable device).I hope decoding Ogg will use  less    or at least equal power using to decode MP3/WMA 
still LAME 3.96.1 --preset extreme -q 0 -V 0 -m s at least until 2005.

Status Of Iriver's Vorbis Support

Reply #9 –
I think iRiver rocks!

The new gadgets they presented @ CES2003 are wonderful!
You can find more details in this iRiver forum post:
New Devices by iRiver presented @ CES 2003

(photos are down the thread).

I'm especially waiting for HDD player, it looks really cool.. iMP-550 is also good (have to start looking for a person to sell my original SlimX  ), hopefully both will be able to power HD-497 fully.
My endian is bigger than yours.

Status Of Iriver's Vorbis Support

Reply #10 –
if the HDD player supports vorbis then it'll be great

Status Of Iriver's Vorbis Support

Reply #11 –
I'm almost 100% sure that once they get Ogg in one device the rest of their equipment lineup will follow with support very soon.
My endian is bigger than yours.

Status Of Iriver's Vorbis Support

Reply #12 –
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I think iRiver rocks!

The new gadgets they presented @ CES2003 are wonderful!
You can find more details in this iRiver forum post:
New Devices by iRiver presented @ CES 2003

(photos are down the thread).

I'm especially waiting for HDD player, it looks really cool.. iMP-550 is also good (have to start looking for a person to sell my original SlimX  ), hopefully both will be able to power HD-497 fully.

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However, they (SlimX 550)managed to squeeze about 70 hours of operation from a fully loaded model.


hix hix , I don't want to sell my ChromeX


But if SlimX 550 could play DVD it would be nice... (at least 4.7 GB or double with dual layer....HDD Player will be kick @ss  )

And I hope iRiver will release a portable DVD player soon (not that BIG player
still LAME 3.96.1 --preset extreme -q 0 -V 0 -m s at least until 2005.

Status Of Iriver's Vorbis Support

Reply #13 –
Check this out, it's from the latest Ogg Traffic. Check the status updates section, you'll see:
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Monty spends his time working on the oggfile API and making improvements to Tremor's resource usage. He is also evaluating the feasibility of Ogg Vorbis playback in iRiver's line of portable players. So far it seems to be going well, but remember that this is only an evaluation phase, so don't run to the stores just yet.

Vow, so far I just thought engineers at iRiver are trying to port Tremor by themselves. Now that Monty has gotten involved I guess we can expect something in the near future.  (w00t)  Awesome.
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