What I was getting at when posting this thread was not just whether I could rip the audio files out of sacds/dvd audio discs but whether the sound of an mp3 ripped from these sources would sound better than ones ripped from a 16 bit cd. There's still a lot of debate as to whether the uncompressed DVD-A/SACD tracks sound better than uncompressed CD audio. [a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=331175"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a] Right, the only reason (IMHO) that DVD-A/sacd tracks sound better is that these formats are better taken care of from recording to disk. Regards, Jacco [a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=331218"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a] Aren't golden eared audiophiles going to say "BLASPHEMY" to this statement? Are you saying that no human can do a good abx with 16bit cd against DVD audio or sacd if the mastering/ recording process is the same for both? I cannot try it for myself either cause I don't have a dvd-audio or sacd player or any of the media for that matter [a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=331224"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a] I did (and do) not mean to upset anybody. IMHO there are two improvements in dvd-a/sacd over ordinary cd: more bandwidth and more dynamic range. I can not hear above 20 kHz (I tested this) so only one argument survives, ie. a larger signal-to-noise ratio. Since the DR of an orchestra is let us say 80 dB, there is no need to go beyond cd. However, the multichannel feature justifies the existance of dvd-a/sacd. Stereo is for me history. Regards, Jacco