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VBR and my rio-volt sp100

I have had a rio volt for quite a while but I wasn't going to encode my collection until lame 3.90 came out. well now it has and I want to use the alt-preset extreme but I have read in the rio volt faq that not all vbr files are definitely supported by the rio volt by chance.

Anyway, my question is, has anyone encoded anything with the alt-preset extreme and tried it out in a rio volt? And what is the ceiling bitrate that the alt-preset extreme goes to?  the riovolt only reads upto 320... thanks in advance.

-Jeff

VBR and my rio-volt sp100

Reply #1 –
I have a RioVolt and have never had a problem with any VBR file, either --r3mix or alt-preset standard or extreme. All sound perfect, no problem.

VBR and my rio-volt sp100

Reply #2 –
I too have a Rio Volt SP100 (really love it), but haven't yet played any --alt-preset standard files with it. I have however played a vast amount of --r3mix files with it, and have had no problems of any kind whatsoever.

VBR and my rio-volt sp100

Reply #3 –
I had a rio volt for a while. It plays anything I threw at it. VBR, CBR 320.

I did not test with anything below 32khz sampling.

It had to go back to the store though. No volume. Needed an outboard amp:mad:

VBR and my rio-volt sp100

Reply #4 –
Hi,

with FW 1.05s my Soul played all MP3 and WMA8, but not with 48 kHz sampling.
Only up to 44.1 kHz. (that is described at website Iriver, too, the original manufacturer of both clones of the iriver 100, I guess.)

MP3 Bitrates up to 320 kbit/s are no problem.

VBR and my rio-volt sp100

Reply #5 –
Hi There

I have the RioVolt SP100 with the 2.10 firmware on it.

I am Encoding now my whole CD Collection with the
L.A.M.E  2.90.2 --alt-preset standard and must say,
Dibrom had made it to it's Best 

ThnX Dibrom for ya work on it, it's great. 

Back to the Topic:

Few problems are there with the Rio Volt:

* The 'Remaining Time' function don't work properly on the VBR Mp3's : e.g. the Track is 6 mins and the Rio shows you about 12 mins remaining time (but i think this is a weakness of the Rio's hardware decoder or the firmware have to be improved) or have it not ?
Maybe the Lame Encoder have to be tweaked a little (Dibrom, can it be the Lame Encoder ?:confused: )


* When you scan through your VBR songs, sometimes it skips the whole song 


* Next is, when you Update your Firmware to 2.10, your Prog button has no function anymore (i wrote an e-mail to sonicblue and they answered, they don't even know such a problem).
Have someone other such a Problem ?

* Last but not least  The Rio Volt Skips in my Car when it's cold in such Winterdays and because of the bass when i turn the volume up.

(But by the way, frozenspeed
why do you not try to encode a few tracks by yourself and try them out ???)

Cya all
---TarX---

VBR and my rio-volt sp100

Reply #6 –
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Originally posted by TarX
I am Encoding now my whole CD Collection with the 
L.A.M.E   2.90.2 --alt-preset standard and must say,
Dibrom had made it to it's Best  

ThnX Dibrom for ya work on it, it's great.


Np.  I suppose your "ravebase" clip sounds much better?

Quote
* The 'Remaining Time' function don't work properly on the VBR Mp3's : e.g. the Track is 6 mins and the Rio shows you about 12 mins remaining time (but i think this is a weakness of the Rio's hardware decoder or the firmware have to be improved) or have it not ? 
Maybe the Lame Encoder have to be tweaked a little (Dibrom, can it be the Lame Encoder ?:confused: )


Nope, this shouldn't be a problem with LAME.  It sounds like the Rio Volt doesn't read VBR headers correctly to determine the true length of the mp3.

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* When you scan through your VBR songs, sometimes it skips the whole song


Sounds like it might be part of the same problem as above -- not reading VBR headers correctly or something.

VBR and my rio-volt sp100

Reply #7 –
Hi There

I also like my new RioVolt SP100 with firmware 2.10.

The prog button is fully functional with all options described in the revision notes!!

All VBR files with correct VBR header (like produced by EAC or Audiograbber with lame) show the correct remaining time!
All Fraunhofer VBRs (from Nero, CoolEdit -plugins...) don't have a correct VBR header, so there you have the wrong time display...

(I always use lame --alt -preset standard now)

musician

VBR and my rio-volt sp100

Reply #8 –
Hi, as already told:

with FW 1.05s, currently latest, it is perfect. (only no 48 kHz sampling files)

Time is displayed correctly.

VBR and my rio-volt sp100

Reply #9 –
BTW, the soul player has two additional buttons (on the right side of the display above the 'jog-shuttle' compared to RioVolt, what are they for?

VBR and my rio-volt sp100

Reply #10 –
I think you mean the three buttons on the right above the joy pad.

Volume+, vol-, EQ

EQ is button for selecting equalizer settings.

VBR and my rio-volt sp100

Reply #11 –
Hi There

by Dibrom
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Np. I suppose your "ravebase" clip sounds much better? 
[/b]

Yes It does, indeed a really good improvement. ThnX a lot.
(but ...I do not dare it to say :spank:        There is always still a hiss or so in background at the 27s second, but whatever, how you said:

'There will be always such tracks, the mp3 format is not good enough for'

so I want to be content with which it give 

EDIT: Link to the RaveBase WAV File

by Weird Music Mafia
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Hi There 

I also like my new RioVolt SP100 with firmware 2.10. 

The prog button is fully functional with all options described in the revision notes!! 
[/b]


hmmm...  so i don't know what's the problem with my prog button, i think, i'm going to open my Rio :evilgrin: and check the connection to the button.

by Weird Music Mafia
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All VBR files with correct VBR header (like produced by EAC or Audiograbber with lame) show the correct remaining time! 
All Fraunhofer VBRs (from Nero, CoolEdit -plugins...) don't have a correct VBR header, so there you have the wrong time display... 

(I always use lame --alt -preset standard now) 
[/b]


as you have read my post,I always use EAC + lame 3.90.2 --alt -preset standard, too.
So I don't really know why this occurs on mine one, but thnx for replay.

by user
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Hi, as already told: 

with FW 1.05s, currently latest, it is perfect. (only no 48 kHz sampling files) 

Time is displayed correctly
[/b]


hmmm  what you all think about update the firmware of the RIoVolt SP-100 with the soul player FW 1.05s one ? :confused: :confused:

Do I damage the Rio or could it work (because so far i know, all the Flash files named the same :  IMP-100.HEX)
:needhelp:   

(and one more : for what someone would like to make 48 khz mp3's ? Better encoding ?)

Cya
---TarX---

VBR and my rio-volt sp100

Reply #12 –
mm, updating with FW by other brand could be dangerous in this case, because it seems that they use different names for their FW, eg. AVC Soul 1.01 up to 1.05s (It think s for soul), but Riovolt's FW is named with 1.20.

You should ask Riovolt or iRiver  about it.

It is funny that it does not play 48 kHz Mp3, because 48 kHz is specified standard for mp3.

Of course you dont need it so often, if your source is CDDA.

But these days there are DVDs with ac3 soundtracks. Always 48 KHz.

And why downsampling the waves, if they could directly be converted to 48 kHZ mp3 ?

So it is unlucky that it does not play them. Would be interesting to know if a FWupdate would help in future.

VBR and my rio-volt sp100

Reply #13 –
Hi
I've already wrote about it somewhere on this forum.

I've been using the player (Soul) for 10 months now, with VBR, and it works great, including seeking 1x 2x 4x, the remain time is displayed correctly, and you can also seek within a file starting from its end (yes! by playing first few seconds of a file next to the desired file and holding the RW key) but you must follow certain rules. I have to mention that the sound quality is astonishing.

I don't have time to experiment more. The facts are:
1. if a file doesn't have any ID3 - seeking works perfectly
2. if a file has ID3v1 ONLY - seeking works perfectly
3. if a file has ID3v2 ONLY - something's wrong: the remain time is totally wrong and seeking is unpredictable

I haven't tried adding both ID3v1 and ID3v2? Maybe it will be working then.

Oh, I was adding ID3's using Winamp. All the stuff above was true no matter how many times I added/removed ID3.

It must be an easy-to-remove bug, because it seems that the player is generally capable if seeking within a VBR mp3. Thank god, the unit is firmware-upgradable. I think they're gonna fix it and release an upgrade.

Anyway, I don't use ID3 at all, because the player displays them like this :
"[title] - [performer]"
and it scrolls this long line and I don't have the patience to wait until it displays [title].
If there's no ID3 - the player displays filename, which may be [title] only. In my opinion this is more convenient.

But as I said, if you follow certain rules, the player works perfectly with VBR.

Hope this helps.
Olcios

p.s.
can someone perform further tests and report them to both companies?