A collection of anti-hifi [ripoff] information, cables, tweaks, expensive equipment... |
A collection of anti-hifi [ripoff] information, cables, tweaks, expensive equipment... |
 Sep 5 2003, 11:44
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I've often wrestled with the issue of hifi and whether its worth it or not...
I do believe they're are improvements to be had by spending a bit more... compared to an all in one mini system from an electronics store at £300 or more... or rather i used to believe it... its often difficult to try to even persuade hifi people to even consider the possibility of this.. obviously there is an element of protecting your investment in hardware (similar loyalties run deep in games consoles wars etc)... Anyways i've seen links and discussions on this before, i thought it'd be good to try and collect all of this in one place.. I'm sure somewhere i got a stereophile article off someone on here (dibrom?!) about a blind test they did with interconnect or spaeaker wire.. using real cheap wire compared to some mid range hifi interconnect... few people managed to spot it... if any blindly... Its this kind of information that'd be great to have to try and let people read about it and at least consider to potentially save them more money... so any articles, links to tests done or discussions would be great.. other than just informed discussion on this thread or links to other threads would be great... Firstly i think it'd be good to confront the wires issue... leaving whether certain hifi equipment is even useful or not.. this kind of information would be more easily absorbed by hifi-ers than telling them that there really is no need to buy an expensive cd player if you already have one... also with dual output devices (my DAC has two outputs) its much easier to easily let ppl setup two interconnects and quickly switch to do some blind testing... Thanks -------------------- Binaural recordings of mine: http://binaural.jimtreats.com
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Sep 19 2003, 23:29
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 Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 28-June 03 From: CA, USA Member No.: 7426 |
Very informative post Pio!
QUOTE The usual rec.audio excuse from those who claim differences is that blind testing doesn't work because there is too much pressure to perform. On the other hand many of the same folks say that they can easlily tell the difference between hearing cable A in one store and cable B in another store. Bwahahahahahaha!!! That's hilarious! edit: Pio is not all caps This post has been edited by Audible!: Sep 20 2003, 01:32 |
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jrbamford A collection of anti-hifi [ripoff] information Sep 5 2003, 11:44
ScorLibran I like this idea! I've often wondered whe... Sep 5 2003, 12:22 jrbamford QUOTE And I've seen similar tests on cabling, ... Sep 5 2003, 12:39 boojum Wire is wire is wire. Heavy duty lamp cord will s... Sep 5 2003, 13:36 2Bdecided It does cost money to do some things well. And it ... Sep 5 2003, 13:45 jrbamford QUOTE Wire is wire is wire. Heavy duty lamp cord w... Sep 5 2003, 13:58 2Bdecided See my reply in the turntable thread. And if that ... Sep 5 2003, 14:10 fewtch Cable capacitance is also a big issue with moving ... Sep 5 2003, 14:28 jrbamford Thanks fewtch, i did wonder.. the one lead i would... Sep 5 2003, 15:34 fewtch I'd suggest using any well-shielded audio cabl... Sep 5 2003, 15:51 jrbamford The turntable i got has RCA inputs anyways so that... Sep 5 2003, 16:23 DonP In the case of phono: if your preamp/receiver can... Sep 5 2003, 16:43 fewtch QUOTE (jrbamford @ Sep 5 2003, 08:23 AM)So au... Sep 5 2003, 17:05 Audible! Speaker cable "differences' over average ... Sep 5 2003, 23:01 jrbamford Thanks Audible! great link.. thats what i... Sep 5 2003, 23:35 Audible! QUOTE wierd as he does sell these things yet says ... Sep 6 2003, 00:53 ChrisGranger I would like to see a properly conducted ABX test ... Sep 6 2003, 10:22 ChrisGranger Oh, and to reply to the initial post, I really thi... Sep 6 2003, 10:34 DarkAngel I lost almost all faith in high end hi-fi magazine... Sep 6 2003, 11:43 Patsoe QUOTE (jrbamford @ Sep 5 2003, 11:44 AM)...An... Sep 6 2003, 23:39 polandro If you want a link to a snake-oil type site try
C... Sep 7 2003, 00:23 Audible! QUOTE It's silly. Do they rewire their CD play... Sep 7 2003, 00:29 Bongoboy QUOTE (jrbamford @ Sep 5 2003, 11:44 AM)Anywa... Sep 7 2003, 00:50 Bongoboy QUOTE (Audible! @ Sep 7 2003, 12:29 AM)Go... Sep 7 2003, 01:24 Audible! QUOTE First of all Galvanic Corrosion (or electrop... Sep 7 2003, 02:03 Auric I certainly think there's a difference, but on... Sep 7 2003, 16:10 Audible! QUOTE In other words, as long as long as the speak... Sep 7 2003, 21:41 Bongoboy QUOTE (Audible! @ Sep 7 2003, 02:03 AM)Th... Sep 8 2003, 01:34 Bongoboy QUOTE (Auric @ Sep 7 2003, 04:10 PM)The same ... Sep 8 2003, 02:12 Pio2001 Could someone post the equivalence between AVG and... Sep 17 2003, 23:00 DonP QUOTE (Bongoboy @ Sep 7 2003, 08:12 PM)The re... Sep 18 2003, 00:58 sthayashi QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Sep 17 2003, 02:00 PM)Could ... Sep 18 2003, 05:38 Audible! QUOTE Should I drop the cash and get more expensiv... Sep 18 2003, 05:48 monkeyboy Most copper is 99.9% Oxygen free. The main differ... Sep 18 2003, 16:31 Audible! QUOTE Now, whilst the listener may not instantly p... Sep 19 2003, 00:01 jrbamford I plan to record some outputs from my DAC20 (with ... Sep 19 2003, 00:17 KikeG At http://www.kikeg.arrakis.es/stest you have a te... Sep 19 2003, 07:48 JeanLuc QUOTE (Auric @ Sep 7 2003, 03:10 PM)The same ... Sep 19 2003, 10:21 ScorLibran Out of curiosity, I am wondering what any (theoret... Sep 19 2003, 10:40 2Bdecided QUOTE (ScorLibran @ Sep 19 2003, 09:40 AM)Or ... Sep 19 2003, 10:57 KikeG QUOTE (ScorLibran @ Sep 19 2003, 10:40 AM)Onc... Sep 19 2003, 11:00 JeanLuc QUOTE (ScorLibran @ Sep 19 2003, 09:40 AM)I *... Sep 19 2003, 11:47 KikeG QUOTE (JeanLuc @ Sep 19 2003, 11:47 AM)there ... Sep 19 2003, 12:27 kennedyb4 This is a great thread. There have been many claim... Sep 19 2003, 12:57 DonP QUOTE (KikeG @ Sep 19 2003, 06:27 AM)Not most... Sep 19 2003, 13:26 JeanLuc QUOTE (KikeG @ Sep 19 2003, 11:27 AM)even if ... Sep 19 2003, 14:00 KikeG QUOTE (JeanLuc @ Sep 19 2003, 02:00 PM)That... Sep 19 2003, 14:20 bawjaws A condensed version of this thread and the informa... Sep 19 2003, 14:31 JeanLuc QUOTE (KikeG @ Sep 19 2003, 01:20 PM)As I exp... Sep 19 2003, 14:33 KikeG QUOTE (JeanLuc @ Sep 19 2003, 02:33 PM)they c... Sep 19 2003, 14:58 Pio2001 Skin Effect Summary.
The skin effect in a cylindr... Sep 19 2003, 22:06 ChrisGranger QUOTE (Audible! @ Sep 19 2003, 05:29 PM)Q... Sep 20 2003, 01:01 Pio2001 Speaker cables recordings.
Don't try this at ... Sep 20 2003, 01:23 Audible! QUOTE Loss = 20 log (0.98) = -0.2 dB
But, but, but... Sep 20 2003, 01:37 Pio2001 Then, looking at him you can ABX ? Sep 20 2003, 03:10 Audible! QUOTE Then, looking at him you can ABX ?
Well, not... Sep 20 2003, 03:37 ger@co QUOTE (sthayashi @ Sep 17 2003, 10:38 PM .)Mo... Sep 20 2003, 06:01 lucpes The audio signal is alternative current, so it doe... Sep 20 2003, 19:27 Audible! QUOTE However, the "warm fuzzy feeling" ... Sep 20 2003, 21:27 Pio2001 QUOTE (lucpes @ Sep 20 2003, 09:27 PM)The aud... Sep 20 2003, 21:50 lucpes QUOTE (ger@co @ Sep 20 2003, 05:01 AM)If you ... Sep 20 2003, 22:05 Welly Wu I certainly respect the opinions of my fellow HA m... Sep 20 2003, 22:10 lucpes QUOTE (Welly Wu @ Sep 20 2003, 09:10 PM)Furth... Sep 20 2003, 22:25 fewtch Welly Wu,
I'll allow that cables may make a d... Sep 20 2003, 22:25 lucpes QUOTE (Welly Wu @ Sep 20 2003, 09:10 PM)...I ... Sep 20 2003, 22:29 Audible! QUOTE However, I agree to disagree that with respe... Sep 20 2003, 22:35
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