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Yello sample - additional VBR 128 test, Is the difference audible?
Alex B
post Jan 15 2006, 16:16
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There was an unfortunate mistake with the yello sample, which Sebastian Mares used in the public VBR 128 kbps test. As I explained in the mail Sebastian quoted, the used sample was most likely a Lame -V0 encoded version instead of the lossless original.

However, it is quite interesting that the results didn't show anything special with this sample. (Except naturally the guruboolez's findings, which are quite amazing.)

For further evaluating this I have made a small test package. It contains an ABC-HR configuration file, a new lossless reference file and six new lossy samples. I have replaced the low anchor with a high anchor and Nero with a transcoded sample. Otherwise the used encoders and the settings are exactly the same that were used in the public test. The order of the contenders is not the same with the main test. The package includes an encrypted list of the real order. I will post the key later here.

I would be very much interested to have your results on this new sample. The package is easy to use. Just unrar it and open the Yello2.xml configuration file with ABC-HR. After taking the test save the result in standard txt format and post it here.

Personally, I have not really tried this yet, but I think this is not any easier than the previous yello sample.

The test package is here: Yello2.rar (8.7 MB).
The new lossless reference file is available separately here: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=40621


BTW, I couldn't upload the test package to the upload area even I had enough room for attachments. Is there a file size limit besides the global limit?

Edit: typo

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post Mar 5 2006, 13:59
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What song is this from?
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post Mar 5 2006, 14:24
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QUOTE (Shade[ST] @ Mar 5 2006, 02:59 PM)
What song is this from?
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If I remember correctly it's from their song "Planet Dada", which is on the latest (?) album, "The Eye":

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Alex B
post Mar 5 2006, 17:04
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QUOTE (naylor83 @ Mar 5 2006, 03:24 PM)
If I remember correctly it's from their song "Planet Dada", which is on the latest (?) album, "The Eye":
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Correct.

Interesting that no one has tried the test yet. Perhaps I should post my own test results. smile.gif


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post Mar 5 2006, 17:06
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CODE
ABC/HR for Java, Version 0.5b, 05 3・2006
Testname: Yello2

Tester: haregoo

1R = yello2_6.wav
2L = yello2_4.wav
3L = yello2_2.wav
4L = yello2_3.wav
5L = yello2_5.wav
6R = yello2_1.wav

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General Comments:
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1R File: yello2_6.wav
1R Rating: 4.5
1R Comment:
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2L File: yello2_4.wav
2L Rating: 4.0
2L Comment:
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3L File: yello2_2.wav
3L Rating: 4.5
3L Comment:
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5L File: yello2_5.wav
5L Rating: 4.8
5L Comment:
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6R File: yello2_1.wav
6R Rating: 3.8
6R Comment:
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ABX Results:
Original vs yello2_1.wav
   8 out of 8, pval = 0.0030
Original vs yello2_2.wav
   8 out of 8, pval = 0.0030
Original vs yello2_4.wav
   8 out of 8, pval = 0.0030
Original vs yello2_6.wav
   8 out of 8, pval = 0.0030


---- Detailed ABX results ----
Original vs yello2_1.wav
Playback Range: 01.872 to 03.675
   11:29:39 PM p 1/1 pval = 0.5
   11:29:41 PM p 2/2 pval = 0.25
   11:29:43 PM p 3/3 pval = 0.125
   11:29:44 PM p 4/4 pval = 0.062
   11:29:47 PM p 5/5 pval = 0.031
   11:29:48 PM p 6/6 pval = 0.015
   11:29:50 PM p 7/7 pval = 0.0070
   11:29:56 PM p 8/8 pval = 0.0030

Original vs yello2_2.wav
Playback Range: 01.872 to 03.675
   11:28:45 PM p 1/1 pval = 0.5
   11:28:47 PM p 2/2 pval = 0.25
   11:28:53 PM p 3/3 pval = 0.125
   11:28:55 PM p 4/4 pval = 0.062
   11:28:57 PM p 5/5 pval = 0.031
   11:29:01 PM p 6/6 pval = 0.015
   11:29:03 PM p 7/7 pval = 0.0070
   11:29:05 PM p 8/8 pval = 0.0030

Original vs yello2_4.wav
Playback Range: 01.872 to 03.675
   11:26:00 PM p 1/1 pval = 0.5
   11:26:04 PM p 2/2 pval = 0.25
   11:26:05 PM p 3/3 pval = 0.125
   11:26:10 PM p 4/4 pval = 0.062
   11:26:11 PM p 5/5 pval = 0.031
   11:26:13 PM p 6/6 pval = 0.015
   11:26:15 PM p 7/7 pval = 0.0070
   11:26:17 PM p 8/8 pval = 0.0030

Original vs yello2_6.wav
Playback Range: 01.872 to 05.339
   11:33:08 PM p 1/1 pval = 0.5
   11:33:12 PM p 2/2 pval = 0.25
   11:33:17 PM p 3/3 pval = 0.125
   11:33:19 PM p 4/4 pval = 0.062
   11:33:21 PM p 5/5 pval = 0.031
   11:33:24 PM p 6/6 pval = 0.015
   11:33:25 PM p 7/7 pval = 0.0070
   11:33:27 PM p 8/8 pval = 0.0030


One of these samples was transparent for me.
I didn't participate in latest Sebastian's public listening test, so can't talk about differences of difficulty.

Interesting to see how this is going? cool.gif

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post Mar 5 2006, 17:08
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QUOTE (naylor83 @ Mar 5 2006, 05:24 AM)
f I remember correctly it's from their song "Planet Dada", which is on the latest (?) album, "The Eye":

Allofmp3.com
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Not to be a party pooper but allofmp3 is illegal to use both if you're a Russian or if you live outside. If you don't want to pay much for music, use torrents. Otherwise, stick to amazon/itunes/napster etc
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post Mar 5 2006, 17:25
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Thanks, haregoo.

BTW, I bought the CD from here and paid the full price: http://www.cdon.com/
They have some good bargain prices for other Yello albums.

Also, Yello fans may find this release interesting:
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000...4491819-7790629


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post Mar 12 2006, 13:05
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QUOTE (Alex B @ Mar 5 2006, 08:25 AM)
Also, Yello fans may find this release interesting:
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000...4491819-7790629
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The quality of the Yello remaster series is awesome ... great bonus tracks too biggrin.gif
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naylor83
post Mar 13 2006, 23:33
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QUOTE (Busemann @ Mar 5 2006, 06:08 PM)
QUOTE (naylor83 @ Mar 5 2006, 05:24 AM)
f I remember correctly it's from their song "Planet Dada", which is on the latest (?) album, "The Eye":

Allofmp3.com
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Not to be a party pooper but allofmp3 is illegal to use both if you're a Russian or if you live outside. If you don't want to pay much for music, use torrents. Otherwise, stick to amazon/itunes/napster etc
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Well, the Swedish authoroties have said that until the matter has been further investigated they won't be prosecuting anyone.

Anyway, I bought that CD long before I started shopping at allofmp3.


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post Mar 14 2006, 01:21
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Besides, with torrents, you can sometimes get 320 kbps MP3s even FLACs wink.gif

Like I did... tongue.gif


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