Yet another lossless audio compressor..., Would it make any sense? |
Yet another lossless audio compressor..., Would it make any sense? |
Apr 1 2006, 03:04
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TAK Developer Group: Developer Posts: 1043 Joined: 1-April 06 Member No.: 29051 |
Hi,
(sorry, my english isn't very good...) i have been working (for fun) on lossless audio compression since about 1997. Finally i would like to bring this thing (especially the never-ending-search for just a tenth of a percent more compression...) to an end. In the light of the big bunch of existing Compressors, i am not quite sure, if it would be of any use to add one more Compressor to the public. The preparations for a useful release would be much further work, and i wouldn't like to waste my time for something not needed. My Compressor uses similar techniques like FLAC, but far more elaborated. Compression ratios lie between Monkey's Audios High- and Extra-High-Mode (Can be better than Extra High at the expense of a considerable increase of encoding time). Encoding Speed is a bit slower than Monkey's, Decoding Speed is much higher on most Files. Seek-Times should also be better cause of the maximum (independent) frame length of 250 ms. I would like to read some opinions. Would it make any sense to release it? Thanks Thomas |
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Apr 1 2006, 03:48
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 2019 Joined: 8-April 05 From: Cincinnati, OH Member No.: 21277 |
In the beginning, I really didn't understand lossless (this was back in 2003). I didn't really see the 10% compression ratio as being significantly smaller than the original wav and, to me, a much smaller mp3 had the same sound.
Now I understand the importance of lossless encoders in that they can retain tags (something wav files can't do), some offer better than 10% compression ratios, and many programs now support them. I would welcome another lossless encoder. After all, competition is good. Your encoder may not use newer technology when compared with Apple lossless for Monkey's Audio but still, it would be nice to see. I am currently in the process of ripping my entire library to Apple lossless (I live in a iPod world). Then again, my interest is purely for curiousity. Sadly, I am afraid that many people are set with their lossless encoders with most people going with FLAC. Unless your lossless encoder would obtain a high compatibility with current software and hardware, then I really don't see it going anywhere beyond curiosity and testing. Please, don't take this in the wrong way what so ever. I would love to see a lossless format developed by a HA poster. I just don't know if it would have any practical use or not. |
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Apr 1 2006, 04:28
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TAK Developer Group: Developer Posts: 1043 Joined: 1-April 06 Member No.: 29051 |
QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Apr 1 2006, 04:48 AM) Unless your lossless encoder would obtain a high compatibility with current software and hardware, then I really don't see it going anywhere beyond curiosity and testing. Please, don't take this in the wrong way what so ever. I would love to see a lossless format developed by a HA poster. I just don't know if it would have any practical use or not. Thanks. My Thinking goes into the same direction. Sigh... Building of the compression engine has been very much work. The creation and promotion of a new (free) format, which seems to be necessary to make the technology useful, would be even more work. My biggest respect for Josh Coalson, who has made FLAC some standard. I'm in doubt that i myself would be able to establish some new standard. And i'm not sure, if it would make sense. It's a pity, that i am too late. Some years ago my work possibly would have had a chance to enrich the development of FLAC. Thomas |
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TBeck Yet another lossless audio compressor... Apr 1 2006, 03:04
neomoe QUOTE (TBeck @ Mar 31 2006, 07:28 PM)QUOTE (k... Apr 1 2006, 09:18
jcoalson QUOTE (TBeck @ Mar 31 2006, 10:28 PM)Building... Apr 2 2006, 06:51
TBeck QUOTE (jcoalson @ Apr 2 2006, 07:51 AM)I woul... Apr 2 2006, 18:16
TBeck QUOTE (jcoalson @ Apr 2 2006, 07:51 AM)it sti... Apr 2 2006, 19:40
Shade[ST] Is there any way we can get a sourcecode release o... Apr 2 2006, 20:20
jcoalson QUOTE (TBeck @ Apr 2 2006, 01:40 PM)QUOTE (jc... Apr 3 2006, 01:33
TBeck QUOTE (jcoalson @ Apr 3 2006, 02:33 AM)Thomas... Apr 3 2006, 02:02
William In my opinion, competition is always welcome. Take... Apr 1 2006, 03:48
TBeck QUOTE (William @ Apr 1 2006, 04:48 AM)If the ... Apr 1 2006, 04:42
kwanbis QUOTE (William @ Apr 1 2006, 02:48 AM)In my o... Apr 1 2006, 14:56
Enig123 TBeck,
Sounds interesting. I'm really happy t... Apr 1 2006, 04:06
TBeck QUOTE (Enig123 @ Apr 1 2006, 05:06 AM)TBeck,
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MusicLover QUOTE (TBeck @ Mar 31 2006, 06:04 PM)Hi,
(so... Apr 1 2006, 10:38
TBeck QUOTE (MusicLover @ Apr 1 2006, 11:38 AM)Hey,... Apr 1 2006, 16:35
pest I've worked on something similiar the last yea... Apr 1 2006, 16:42
Skymmer QUOTE (TBeck @ Apr 1 2006, 05:04 AM)I would l... Apr 1 2006, 13:11
TBeck QUOTE (Skymmer @ Apr 1 2006, 02:11 PM)QUOTE (... Apr 1 2006, 16:37
Triza Nobody needs another one that is only 1-2% better.... Apr 1 2006, 18:21
rutra80 An encoder with compression ratio as high as Monke... Apr 1 2006, 18:26
Duble0Syx QUOTE (rutra80 @ Apr 1 2006, 09:26 AM)An enco... Apr 1 2006, 18:53
xmixahlx you really don't need an official release righ... Apr 1 2006, 20:22
boombaard QUOTE IMHO Monkey's Audio is a poor codec simp... Apr 1 2006, 21:26
Skymmer QUOTE (rutra80 @ Apr 1 2006, 08:26 PM)An enco... Apr 1 2006, 21:31
TBeck QUOTE (Skymmer @ Apr 1 2006, 10:31 PM)Agree h... Apr 1 2006, 23:55
TBeck The Table in the previous post contains results fr... Apr 1 2006, 23:57
rjamorim QUOTE (TBeck @ Apr 1 2006, 07:55 PM)CODE-----... Apr 2 2006, 01:22
TBeck QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 2 2006, 02:22 AM)QUOTE ... Apr 2 2006, 01:45
rjamorim QUOTE (TBeck @ Apr 1 2006, 09:45 PM)But it... Apr 2 2006, 01:57
TBeck QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 2 2006, 02:57 AM)QUOTE ... Apr 2 2006, 02:13
William QUOTE (TBeck @ Apr 2 2006, 01:13 AM)Yes. And ... Apr 2 2006, 06:42
Skymmer Truly speaking I'm little bit impressed. The r... Apr 2 2006, 00:56
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pest QUOTE (TBeck @ Apr 1 2006, 04:23 PM)Furthermo... Apr 2 2006, 13:52
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Eric IHMO, if you could transform your ideas into some ... Apr 2 2006, 15:20
Mo0zOoH Hey, that's really something special! I do... Apr 2 2006, 15:30
Skymmer QUOTE (Cartman_Sr @ Apr 2 2006, 09:15 AM)Let ... Apr 2 2006, 18:04
Liisachan QUOTE (Skymmer @ Apr 2 2006, 05:04 PM)For TBe... Apr 2 2006, 18:33
bryant If I understand your table correctly, you are sayi... Apr 2 2006, 20:40
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bryant QUOTE (TBeck @ Apr 2 2006, 12:07 PM)So i woul... Apr 2 2006, 22:02
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TBeck Possibly time for some summary. Especially because... Apr 2 2006, 22:04
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Squeller TBeck, could you describe your basic algorithm ide... Apr 3 2006, 10:25
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john33 QUOTE (Skymmer @ Apr 3 2006, 10:39 AM) QU... Apr 12 2006, 13:24
towolf QUOTE (jcoalson @ Apr 3 2006, 02:33 AM)if you... Apr 4 2006, 10:28
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towolf QUOTE (TBeck @ Apr 4 2006, 11:36 AM)QUOTE (to... Apr 4 2006, 10:46
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TBeck Links to 24 bit files i have used
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