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Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #25 –
No. I've edited the submission but I'm concerned now about the HTOA ability.

Martin F., can the Samsung read HTOA and can you comment on the others features listed? I'm tempted to delete the entry altogether ...

Thanks to everyone that do submit to the database and provide accurate submissions.

edit: I did get a reply.

Quote
Crap, I probably checked the box by mistake when submitting the DAE features... indeed my S203B doesn't read in the lead in  / lead out area... :-o

I'm very sorry for this inconvenience.
daefeatures.co.uk

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #26 –
I PM'ed the person on cdfreaks the drive does not read into leadin/out.
Makes it hard to trust the site!

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #27 –
Quote from: evereux on
No. I've edited the submission but I'm concerned now about the HTOA ability.

Martin F., can the Samsung read HTOA and can you comment on the others features listed?

You can find my results under my user name "xnorfz".
FLAC.

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #28 –
Ok so it does read the HTOA. Such a pity it does not read into leadin/out.

I will pick up the Samsung drive anyway to replace my worn out Lite-On. Still looking for a decent Audio drive...

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #29 –
Quote from: funkyblue on
Ok so it does read the HTOA. Such a pity it does not read into leadin/out.

I will pick up the Samsung drive anyway to replace my worn out Lite-On. Still looking for a decent Audio drive...


Just pick up any old compatible Plextor on eBay.  I have two spares myself.

Robert

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #30 –
There are very few and mostly do not ship to Australia.
There should be a new drive that can do this. Its not much too ask for...

I'd grab a PX-760 but cannot track one down.

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #31 –
Quote from: funkyblue on
There are very few and mostly do not ship to Australia.
There should be a new drive that can do this. Its not much too ask for...

I'd grab a PX-760 but cannot track one down.
They are available from the US.
Try searching for "PX-760A" and you'll see 3... it is expensive with shipping though. I bought 2 of the old SCSI drives (40TSI and 32TSI) that should have the features too... Those are readily available.

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #32 –
@Jan  S, what stores do you know of?

I have a 40TSI, but dBpoweramp does not support C2 with this drive.
(I found this out after replacing my old drive that had failed!)

Thanks

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #33 –
I was just talking about ebay.

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #34 –
I am just testing the Lite-On SH-20A1P. My initial testing with dBpoweramp tells me the drive can read into the leadin/out, has no cache (can use FUA command) and has C2.

Going to do some more testing and put up some screenshots. Might just be what lots of people are looking for (and cheap!). Just depends on if the cache can really be disabled and how accurate C2 is.

I have also tested the Lite-On SH-20A1S version and it does not read into the leadin/out.

My testing of these two drives gives the same results as the postings on DAE features.

Cheers

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #35 –
Be careful with dBpoweramp's test for the FUA command.  I have a non-Plextor drive that passes the test but will not rip securely when the command is used.  Testing the command with spath's cache explorer and EAC (by whether the program is able to report read errors) also indicates that it does not work.  The drive is a JLMS XJ-HD166S and has an offset of -12 which is typical of Lite-On drives.

Regarding the C2 pointer accuracy, if you're using dBpoweramp, it's not supposed to have any negative effects like it does with EAC.

Glad to see you found a drive that can overread.  I know this is important to you.

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #36 –
OK, I have done more tests on the Lite-On LH20A1P DVD Drive.

I have done a CD Speed Advance DAE Test, Tested and configured the drive with EAC and dBpoweramp CD Ripper.

According to CD Speed the drive can read into the leadin/out.

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Offset
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0 bytes (0 samples)
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Sequential Read Test
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Average Speed: 34.01 X
Data errors: 0
Sync errors: 0

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Random Read Test
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Average Access Time: 119 ms
Data errors: 0
Sync errors: 0
Total Data Errors: 0
Total Sync Errors: 0
Quality Score: 100.0

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CD Text
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Drive is capable of reading CD Text information

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Subchannel Data
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Test 1
Track (01): 01
Relative position (01:05.00): 01:05.00
Absolute position (01:07.00): 01:07.00
Index (5): 5

Test 2
Track (17): 17
Relative position (01:33.00): 01:33.00
Absolute position (33:35.00): 33:35.00
Index (1): 1

Test 3
Track (36): 36
Relative position (00:00.00): 00:00.00
Absolute position (70:02.00): 70:02.00
Index (1): 1

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lead-in
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Drive can read max. 148 sectors (-00:01.73) from the Lead-in

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lead-out
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Drive can read max. 6749 sectors (-01:29.74) from the Lead-out

This is also confirmed by reading the last track on the cd in EAC and dBpoweramp (without Accuraterip)

In testing with dBpoweramp, it states the drive can use FUA and has no cache.
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l...etectionvv2.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l...achesizeyo8.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=liteon20fuabw5.jpg


It also confirmed that C2 is used by this drive.
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=liteon20c2og6.jpg

I find using FUA substantially increased the read speed of the drive. I am fairly new to dBpoweramp and am unsure how much to trust its detection settings.

Cachex seems to crash my computer when I try and run it for this Lite-On. (Which is a pity)

usefua, did not have an effect in EAC. Drive was still found to use caching.
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e...veusefuasn3.jpg


If I can kindly get some more help with verifying the testing I have done above, finding a way to test if the FUA command can really disable the cache and if C2 is ok or not, we could have found a very good drive for DAE. (It only cost me 45AUD).

Thanks everyone!

Scott (aka Funkyblue)

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Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #37 –
Ok, time to get unexcited.

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dBpoweramp Release 13 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:51 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'E:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW LH-20A1P  ]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 3,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 16500 (3:40) in 0:43. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\01 - INXS - New Sensation.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: DC4CCE6E	 AccurateRip CRC: 5E41AA72

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 16500 to 32700 (3:36) in 0:35. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\02 - Bros - I Owe You Nothing.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 505129E1	 AccurateRip CRC: 71E140EB

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 32700 to 50612 (3:58) in 0:36. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\03 - Fischer Z - The Perfect Day.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 55BCB734	 AccurateRip CRC: 27758C16

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 50612 to 64662 (3:07) in 0:27. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\04 - Cheap Trick - Don't Be Cruel.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: DD98AC69	 AccurateRip CRC: D6BE3863

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 64662 to 81512 (3:44) in 0:30. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\05 - Poison - Nothin' But a Good Time.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: E9C70AEC	 AccurateRip CRC: 76317F48

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 81512 to 99225 (3:56) in 0:30. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\06 - S-Express - Theme from S-Express.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 58CBA452	 AccurateRip CRC: 79ED4941

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 99225 to 114900 (3:29) in 0:25. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\07 - Salt 'n Pepa - Push It.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: F1ED9A19	 AccurateRip CRC: 632E956F

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 114900 to 130992 (3:34) in 0:25. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\08 - Time Lords, the - Docotorin' the Tardis.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: DEC9B6C7	 AccurateRip CRC: 19A8E3CB

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 130992 to 146542 (3:27) in 0:23. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\09 - Dayne, Taylor - Prove Your Love.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 1D9AEA5B	 AccurateRip CRC: CCA5FE54

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 146542 to 162842 (3:37) in 0:24. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\10 - Fairground Attraction - Perfect.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 9EF7209D	 AccurateRip CRC: 8630928A

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 162842 to 181422 (4:07) in 0:26. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\11 - Tiffany - I Saw Him Standing There.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 22092C79	 AccurateRip CRC: C31D328E

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 181422 to 202892 (4:46) in 0:29. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\12 - Carmen, Eric - Make Me Lose Control.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: C63D7845	 AccurateRip CRC: 3E5FED24

Track 13:  Ripped LBA 202892 to 218597 (3:29) in 0:20. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\13 - Hothouse Flowers - Don't Go.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: E78CF5F5	 AccurateRip CRC: E16920A5

Track 14:  Ripped LBA 218597 to 235912 (3:50) in 0:22. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\14 - Harrison, Jerry - Man With a Gun (Radio Edit).wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 7A7AD341	 AccurateRip CRC: B5C35A6E

Track 15:  Ripped LBA 235912 to 253740 (3:57) in 0:22. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\15 - John, Elton - I Don't Wanna Go on With You Like That.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: C5E34B18	 AccurateRip CRC: AE2C3BE1

Track 16:  Ripped LBA 253740 to 271450 (3:56) in 0:21. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\16 - 1927 - That's When I Think of You.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: EA84AF4D	 AccurateRip CRC: DE00DDE8

Track 17:  Ripped LBA 271450 to 294462 (5:06) in 0:27. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\17 - Farnham, John - Age of Reason.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 61AE49A7	 AccurateRip CRC: C82A17EB

Track 18:  Ripped LBA 294462 to 314417 (4:26) in 0:23. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - 88 the Winners\18 - Gibson, Debbie - Foolish Beat.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: FC7DC90A	 AccurateRip CRC: E4B940D5
  ** Drive is unable to read into lead out, uncheck over-read option.
  ** Drive is unable to read into lead out, uncheck over-read option.
  ** Drive is unable to read into lead out, uncheck over-read option.
  ** Drive is unable to read into lead out, uncheck over-read option.

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18 Tracks Ripped Securely

dBpoweramp Release 13 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:02 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'E:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW LH-20A1P  ]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 3,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 15932 (3:32) in 0:13. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\01 - Bros - I owe you nothing.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: E7ED681F	 AccurateRip CRC: 84B5C852

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 15932 to 31595 (3:28) in 0:41. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\02 - Bananarama - Love in the first degree.wav
  Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3, Re-Rip 19 Frames]
  CRC32: 45AF82A2	 AccurateRip CRC: 8EA45D72
	Re-rip Frame: 30416 (00:03:13.120) matched 10 / 11
	Re-rip Frame: 30485 (00:03:14.040). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
	Re-rip Frame: 30486 (00:03:14.053). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
	Re-rip Frame: 30497 (00:03:14.200). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
	Re-rip Frame: 30509 (00:03:14.360). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
	Re-rip Frame: 30520 (00:03:14.506) matched 10 / 12
	Re-rip Frame: 30521 (00:03:14.520) matched 10 / 12
	Re-rip Frame: 30532 (00:03:14.666). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
	Re-rip Frame: 30555 (00:03:14.973). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
	Re-rip Frame: 30556 (00:03:14.986). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
	Re-rip Frame: 30578 (00:03:15.280). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
	Re-rip Frame: 30579 (00:03:15.293). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
	Re-rip Frame: 30590 (00:03:15.440) matched 10 / 13
	Re-rip Frame: 30613 (00:03:15.746) matched 10 / 11
	Re-rip Frame: 30614 (00:03:15.760) matched 10 / 11
	Re-rip Frame: 30823 (00:03:18.546) matched 10 / 11
	Re-rip Frame: 30893 (00:03:19.480) matched 10 / 12
	Re-rip Frame: 30939 (00:03:20.093). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
	Re-rip Frame: 30940 (00:03:20.106). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 31595 to 48170 (3:41) in 0:08. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\03 - Chantoozies - Wanna be up.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 4BD1D762	 AccurateRip CRC: CFCBCBC1

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 48170 to 68817 (4:35) in 0:09. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\04 - Terence Trent D'Arby - Sign your name.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 62DAAFB2	 AccurateRip CRC: FEE17C35

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 68817 to 83737 (3:18) in 0:06. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\05 - Kylie Minogue - Got to be certain.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 9AEA3F43	 AccurateRip CRC: 6D493F8F

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 83737 to 104842 (4:41) in 0:08. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\06 - Billy Ocean - Get outta my dreams, get into my car.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: ED618A49	 AccurateRip CRC: CDBBE80D

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 104842 to 117737 (2:51) in 0:05. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\07 - Bangles - Hazy shade of winter.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: EA0CBA42	 AccurateRip CRC: 55F5FB06

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 117737 to 135190 (3:52) in 0:06. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\08 - Michael Bolton - (Sittin' on) The dock of the bay.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: ADCF122D	 AccurateRip CRC: 008C82E8

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 135190 to 150255 (3:20) in 0:05. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\09 - Mel & Kim - That's the way it is.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 8C1F21BF	 AccurateRip CRC: 3310C387

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 150255 to 167170 (3:45) in 0:06. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\10 - Poison - Nothin' but a good time.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 4C4A390C	 AccurateRip CRC: 4EE9C444

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 167170 to 185840 (4:08) in 0:06. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\11 - The Choirboys - Run to paradise.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 91021C2B	 AccurateRip CRC: A37FD77D

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 185840 to 205315 (4:19) in 0:06. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\12 - Jimmy Barnes - Too much ain't enough love.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 35A16CCF	 AccurateRip CRC: DE6123E6

Track 13:  Ripped LBA 205315 to 222510 (3:49) in 0:05. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\13 - Big Pig - Breakaway.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: C33B93AD	 AccurateRip CRC: F5CB60E1

Track 14:  Ripped LBA 222510 to 243470 (4:39) in 0:06. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\14 - Cheap Trick - The Flame.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 8F9E678C	 AccurateRip CRC: 05BE1B4D

Track 15:  Ripped LBA 243470 to 261680 (4:02) in 0:05. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\15 - Yazz & the Plastic Population - The only way is up.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 2954E4E7	 AccurateRip CRC: 1DAEA5C5

Track 16:  Ripped LBA 261680 to 277662 (3:33) in 0:04. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\16 - The Timelords - Doctorin' the Tardis.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: FBAEADDD	 AccurateRip CRC: CA48E08A

Track 17:  Ripped LBA 277662 to 293880 (3:36) in 0:04. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\17 - Fairground Attraction - Perfect.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 55F33E72	 AccurateRip CRC: 7B8A479D

Track 18:  Ripped LBA 293880 to 313275 (4:18) in 0:05. Filename: c:\My Music\ - Smash Hits 88\18 - The Eurogliders - Groove.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)	 [Pass 1]
  CRC32: FAE57746	 AccurateRip CRC: 25F8D540
  ** Drive is unable to read into lead out, uncheck over-read option.

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18 Tracks Ripped: 17 Accurate, 1 Inaccurate

Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 1 from 25. May 2007

EAC extraction logfile from 3. January 2008, 22:07

Various / Smash Hits 88

Used drive  : LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1P   Adapter: 0  ID: 1

Read mode			   : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache	  : Yes
Make use of C2 pointers : Yes

Read offset correction					  : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out		  : Yes
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Used interface							  : Installed external ASPI interface
Gap handling								: Not detected, thus appended to previous track

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
Sample format	  : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo


TOC of the extracted CD

	 Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector
	---------------------------------------------------------
		1  |  0:00.00 |  3:32.32 |		 0	|	15931  
		2  |  3:32.32 |  3:28.63 |	 15932	|	31594  
		3  |  7:01.20 |  3:41.00 |	 31595	|	48169  
		4  | 10:42.20 |  4:35.22 |	 48170	|	68816  
		5  | 15:17.42 |  3:18.70 |	 68817	|	83736  
		6  | 18:36.37 |  4:41.30 |	 83737	|   104841  
		7  | 23:17.67 |  2:51.70 |	104842	|   117736  
		8  | 26:09.62 |  3:52.53 |	117737	|   135189  
		9  | 30:02.40 |  3:20.65 |	135190	|   150254  
	   10  | 33:23.30 |  3:45.40 |	150255	|   167169  
	   11  | 37:08.70 |  4:08.70 |	167170	|   185839  
	   12  | 41:17.65 |  4:19.50 |	185840	|   205314  
	   13  | 45:37.40 |  3:49.20 |	205315	|   222509  
	   14  | 49:26.60 |  4:39.35 |	222510	|   243469  
	   15  | 54:06.20 |  4:02.60 |	243470	|   261679  
	   16  | 58:09.05 |  3:33.07 |	261680	|   277661  
	   17  | 61:42.12 |  3:36.18 |	277662	|   293879  
	   18  | 65:18.30 |  4:18.45 |	293880	|   313274  


Track 18

	 Filename C:\music2005\VA - Smash Hits 88\18 - The Eurogliders - Groove.wav

	 Peak level 100.0 %
	 Track quality 100.0 %
	 Copy CRC 8F6730A5
	 Accurately ripped (confidence 1)  [25F8D540]
	 Copy OK

No errors occurred

End of status report

Why would dBpoweramp state that unless it was not true? EAC does not report an error on the last track and CD Speed reported the drive as being able to read into the leadin/out?

Also, Cachex is working now.

Code: [Select]
C:\cachex>cachex -i -c -p -k -w e:\

CacheExplorer 0.8 - spath@cdfreaks.com

Drive on E is  LITE-ON  DVDRW LH-20A1P   KL0N

[+] Buffer size: 2048 kB, read cache is enabled
[+] Supported read commands: BEh A8h(FUA) 28h(FUA) D4h(FUA) D5h(FUA) D8h(FUA)
[+] Plextor flush command: accepted
[+] Plextor flush tests: 5/5
[+] Testing cache line size:
 604 kB / 263 sectors
 604 kB / 263 sectors
 604 kB / 263 sectors
 604 kB / 263 sectors
 588 kB / 256 sectors
[+] Testing cache line numbers:
 1 1 1 1 1
[+] Testing cache disabling: not supported

Cheers,
Scott

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Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #38 –
My last reply for the night.

Testing about 5 cd's using EAC and dBpoweramp. Read the last track of the five disc with EAC and dBpoweramp. Once with leadin/leadout selected, and once without and the files were 100% bit identical when comparing the 4 versions. (Use WAV compare).

I am almost of the opinion dBpoweramp is wrong. I know from previous experience that if leadin/leadout was selected and the drive did not support it an error occur and the CRC's did not match.

In this case even if dBpoweramp is saying it is not supported, I am getting bit identical rips with or without leadin/leadout selected and dBpoweramp is listing them as secure, (same as EAC and no timing errors)

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #39 –
If your drive is not capable of overreading but you select it anyway, EAC will usually not report an error unless the samples in the lead-out are non-null.

Testing the FUA command by testing for caching in EAC does not produce valid results.
To test FUA in EAC, you have to verify that it can still report READ errors.  I'm inclined to believe the result you got from cache explorer, but you should probably up the number of tries from 5 to 16.

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I find using FUA substantially increased the read speed of the drive. I am fairly new to dBpoweramp and am unsure how much to trust its detection settings.
This is interesting.  I was under the impression that cache invalidation was only used during re-reads (and hopefully in situations where the size of the cache exceeds the size of a track) since dBpoweramp uses burst passes over the complete track when checking for errors.

Spoon?

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #40 –
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CacheExplorer 0.8 - spath@cdfreaks.com

Drive on E is  LITE-ON  DVDRW LH-20A1P   KL0N

[+] Buffer size: 2048 kB, read cache is enabled
[+] Supported read commands: BEh A8h(FUA) 28h(FUA) D4h(FUA) D5h(FUA) D8h(FUA)
[+] Plextor flush command: accepted
[+] Plextor flush tests: 5/16
[+] Testing cache line size:
 569 kB / 248 sectors
 592 kB / 258 sectors
 661 kB / 288 sectors
 663 kB / 289 sectors
 661 kB / 288 sectors
 663 kB / 289 sectors
 661 kB / 288 sectors
 663 kB / 289 sectors
 294 kB / 128 sectors
 663 kB / 289 sectors
 663 kB / 289 sectors
 661 kB / 288 sectors
 663 kB / 289 sectors
 663 kB / 289 sectors
 661 kB / 288 sectors
 663 kB / 289 sectors
[+] Testing cache line numbers:
 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
[+] Testing cache disabling: not supported
Thanks for the reply. I did the test above.
The drive still finds errors with FUA selected as I have a scratched cd that cannot be ripped.

I wish these was a tool for testing leadin/out properly. what does CD Speed state the drive can read into the leadin/out, yet dBpoweamp says no?

Just frustrating after purchasing the drive and doing the tests, it seems like it does not read into the leadin/out.

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Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #41 –
I believe FUA only comes into play with dBpoweramp when performing re-reads, not detecting errors.

Based on this new cachex test, I'd say FUA will not work.

Will EAC report read errors with your scratched disc when using -usefua and unchecking the drive caches audio data setting when ripping your scratched disc?  (Sync errors do not count)

I do not know whether nero's tests are at all trustworthy when it comes to using ripping programs that actually overread data.  Last time I checked, nero doesn't give you the option to apply an offset correction.

PS: When using dBpoweramp with C2 pointers feel free to increase the max number of re-reads.  I have found tracks where it took over 1000 to get the rip right.  If you don't use C2 pointers, I wouldn't stray too far from the default of 34, or you risk having consistent errors trick the program into saying the rip was secure.

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #42 –
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dBpoweramp Release 13 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:32 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'E:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW LH-20A1S  ]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1024 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 3,  Max Passes: 10,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: FLAC -compression-level-8 -verify

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 18382 (4:05) in 1:15. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - a Decade of Smash Hits Disk 2\01 - Yazz - The Only Way Is Up.flac
  Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3, Re-Rip 27 Frames]
  CRC32: 1206822D     AccurateRip CRC: B3C71ADD
    Re-rip Frame: 12852 (00:02:51.360) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 12853 (00:02:51.373) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 12863 (00:02:51.506) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 12864 (00:02:51.520) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 12968 (00:02:52.906) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 12969 (00:02:52.920) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 18100 (00:04:01.333) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 18101 (00:04:01.346) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 18111 (00:04:01.480). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18112 (00:04:01.493). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18122 (00:04:01.626). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18123 (00:04:01.640). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18133 (00:04:01.773). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18144 (00:04:01.920). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18155 (00:04:02.066) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 18165 (00:04:02.200). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18166 (00:04:02.213). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18176 (00:04:02.346). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18187 (00:04:02.493). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18197 (00:04:02.626) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 18198 (00:04:02.640). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18209 (00:04:02.786) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 18219 (00:04:02.920). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18220 (00:04:02.933). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18241 (00:04:03.213) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 18263 (00:04:03.506). Insecure  (c2 dropped 34)
    Re-rip Frame: 18284 (00:04:03.786) matched 10 / 10

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1 Tracks Ripped Inaccurately
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Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 1 from 25. May 2007

EAC extraction logfile from 4. January 2008, 9:21

Various Artists / a Decade of Smash Hits Disk 2

Used drive  : LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1P   Adapter: 0  ID: 1

Read mode               : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache      : No
Make use of C2 pointers : Yes

Read offset correction                      : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : Yes
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Used interface                              : Installed external ASPI interface
Gap handling                                : Not detected, thus appended to previous track

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
Sample format      : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  0:00.00 |  4:05.07 |         0    |    18381   
        2  |  4:05.07 |  4:53.20 |     18382    |    40376   
        3  |  8:58.27 |  5:02.08 |     40377    |    63034   
        4  | 14:00.35 |  3:53.17 |     63035    |    80526   
        5  | 17:53.52 |  3:51.58 |     80527    |    97909   
        6  | 21:45.35 |  3:24.00 |     97910    |   113209   
        7  | 25:09.35 |  3:36.25 |    113210    |   129434   
        8  | 28:45.60 |  3:08.65 |    129435    |   143599   
        9  | 31:54.50 |  4:16.47 |    143600    |   162846   
       10  | 36:11.22 |  4:00.70 |    162847    |   180916   
       11  | 40:12.17 |  3:50.13 |    180917    |   198179   
       12  | 44:02.30 |  4:37.50 |    198180    |   219004   
       13  | 48:40.05 |  4:13.30 |    219005    |   238009   
       14  | 52:53.35 |  5:11.20 |    238010    |   261354   
       15  | 58:04.55 |  4:55.45 |    261355    |   283524   
       16  | 63:00.25 |  4:32.60 |    283525    |   303984   


Track  1

     Filename C:\music2005\VA - a Decade of Smash Hits Disk 2\01 - The Only Way Is Up - The Only Way Is Up.wav

     Peak level 94.7 %
     Track quality 99.4 %
     Test CRC 7730B3BD
     Copy CRC 616328EB
     Track not present in AccurateRip database
     Copy OK


There were errors

End of status report

dBpoweramp reports the track as insecure. EAC (with -usefua) reports the track as a Copy OK but the CRC's do not match.

Buy the looks the FUA command seems to work

Cheers

P.S OK I edited a post and will use codebox from now on!

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #43 –
It reports it as insecure because C2 is dropping the bad frames, not because FUA is working.

Check that EAC reports read errors in the Status and Error Messages dialog when ripping a scratched disc.  I have serious reservations about your conclusion, but they're your rips, not mine.

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #45 –
This still isn't enough information.  Again, EAC needs to report read errors (not just sync errors) in that dialog in order to demonstrate that the command works.  It may make things easier if you disable the use of C2 pointers and reduce the error recovery quality to low.

For dBpoweramp, see what happens when you disable the use of C2 pointers as well.

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #46 –
Thanks greynol.

Could you be a bit more specific in what testing I should do with EAC and dBpoweramp?

Cheers

P.S I am just going to re-do my rips with my Plextor 40-TS. It's slower as it does not use C2 in dBpoweramp, but I know for certain it is a decent drive and reads into the leadin/out. i was hoping to find a non-SCSI drive I could use. I might buy one of the used PX-760's on on Ebay.

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #47 –
If you want to test to see that -usefua works in EAC:
  • Run eac.exe -usefua
  • Untick the "C2 error information" setting
  • Untick the "Drive caches audio data" setting
  • Configure the "Error recovery quality" setting to low
  • Rip a track known to give errors
  • Check the "Extracting Audio Data" window after the rip is finished to see if EAC reports a Read Error
If you see a Read Error, then the FUA command works.  You may see a Read Error and a Sync Error.  This is ok too, but if you just see a Sync Error then the test is inconclusive.  If multiple tests only produce a Sync Error but ticking the "Drive caches audio data" setting causes EAC to report a Read Error (with or without a Sync Error), then the FUA command doesn't work.

If you want to test FUA in dBpoweramp:
  • Untick "C2 Error Pointers for Error Detection"
  • Tick "Clear Read Cache with FUA"
  • Set the number of "Maximum Re-Reads" to 20
  • Rip a track known to give errors
If dBpoweramp reports the rip as not secure then FUA works.

If dBpoweramp reports the rip as secure then the FUA probably doesn't work.  If you rip the track again and get secure but a different CRC then it's even more likely that FUA doesn't work.  If you then untick FUA and use cache size recommended by dBpoweramp and the track comes back as not secure then you can be certain that FUA doesn't work.

Comments about the Plextor 40-TS:
If you cannot use C2 pointers in dBpoweramp but can with EAC then I think you should probably use EAC.  You should be able to use the FUA command as well and make sure you use test and copy.  Taking a step back, did you see if dBpoweramp could detect C2 pointers with a different Communication setting?

If this drive doesn't accept the FUA command either then I should take an even bigger step back and ask if you have a virtual drive program like DAEMON Tools installed with an older version of SPTD.  This is known to cause problems with the FUA command.  I've seen it suggested that some chipsets might get in the way also, but the people with Plextor drives that I asked about this were either running DAEMON Tools, relying on the flawed method of using EAC's cache detection to validate the command, or both.  In each case the person eventually verified that FUA worked after all or failed to give me a response.

If it turns out that SPTD is getting in your way, you should uninstall it before running these tests.  If the tests pass then you could try again with a more recent version (1.49 or greater).

Regarding the speed of dBpoweramp:
If you're using C2 pointers then I'd enable Ultra Secure ripping with a minimum of 1 pass and end after 2 clean passes.

If you're not using C2 pointers then I wouldn't bother with Ultra Secure ripping.

In either case ripping should take the same amount of time provided there were no errors.  This should also be the case regardless of cache invalidation.  This is part of the beauty of dBpoweramp as a fast, but still secure ripper.

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #48 –
Thanks greynol.

Both EAC and dBpoweramp's tests failed. Drive cannot use FUA command. I did not get a read error in EAC and dBpoweramp said the rip was secure. (CD has a MAJOR scratch). Rip failed when I removed the FUA option in both programs.

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dBpoweramp Release 13 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Friday, January 04, 2008 9:54 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'E:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW LH-20A1P  ]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: No,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 3,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 20

Encoder: FLAC -compression-level-8 -verify

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 18382 (4:05) in 2:22. Filename: c:\My Music\Various Artists - a Decade of Smash Hits Disk 2\01 - Yazz - The Only Way Is Up.flac
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1 & 2, Ultra 1 to 4, Re-Rip 32 Frames]
  CRC32: B4BF4E28     AccurateRip CRC: 56596033
    Re-rip Frame: 12852 (00:02:51.360) matched 10 / 19
    Re-rip Frame: 12853 (00:02:51.373) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 12915 (00:02:52.200) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 12916 (00:02:52.213) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 12968 (00:02:52.906) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 12969 (00:02:52.920) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 13273 (00:02:56.973) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 13274 (00:02:56.986) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 13284 (00:02:57.120) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 13790 (00:03:03.866) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 13800 (00:03:04.000) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 13801 (00:03:04.013) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 17292 (00:03:50.560) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 17293 (00:03:50.573) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 18079 (00:04:01.053) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 18101 (00:04:01.346) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 18111 (00:04:01.480) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 18112 (00:04:01.493) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 18122 (00:04:01.626) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 18123 (00:04:01.640) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 18133 (00:04:01.773) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 18143 (00:04:01.906) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 18155 (00:04:02.066) matched 10 / 19
    Re-rip Frame: 18165 (00:04:02.200) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 18166 (00:04:02.213) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 18176 (00:04:02.346) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 18187 (00:04:02.493) matched 10 / 13
    Re-rip Frame: 18197 (00:04:02.626) matched 10 / 20
    Re-rip Frame: 18198 (00:04:02.640) matched 10 / 15
    Re-rip Frame: 18208 (00:04:02.773) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 18209 (00:04:02.786) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 18219 (00:04:02.920) matched 10 / 17

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1 Tracks Ripped Securely (Warning: sectors had to be re-ripped)

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Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 1 from 25. May 2007

EAC extraction logfile from 4. January 2008, 21:51

Various Artists / a Decade of Smash Hits Disk 2

Used drive  : LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1P   Adapter: 0  ID: 1

Read mode               : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache      : No
Make use of C2 pointers : No

Read offset correction                      : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : Yes
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Used interface                              : Installed external ASPI interface
Gap handling                                : Not detected, thus appended to previous track

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
Sample format      : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  0:00.00 |  4:05.07 |         0    |    18381   
        2  |  4:05.07 |  4:53.20 |     18382    |    40376   
        3  |  8:58.27 |  5:02.08 |     40377    |    63034   
        4  | 14:00.35 |  3:53.17 |     63035    |    80526   
        5  | 17:53.52 |  3:51.58 |     80527    |    97909   
        6  | 21:45.35 |  3:24.00 |     97910    |   113209   
        7  | 25:09.35 |  3:36.25 |    113210    |   129434   
        8  | 28:45.60 |  3:08.65 |    129435    |   143599   
        9  | 31:54.50 |  4:16.47 |    143600    |   162846   
       10  | 36:11.22 |  4:00.70 |    162847    |   180916   
       11  | 40:12.17 |  3:50.13 |    180917    |   198179   
       12  | 44:02.30 |  4:37.50 |    198180    |   219004   
       13  | 48:40.05 |  4:13.30 |    219005    |   238009   
       14  | 52:53.35 |  5:11.20 |    238010    |   261354   
       15  | 58:04.55 |  4:55.45 |    261355    |   283524   
       16  | 63:00.25 |  4:32.60 |    283525    |   303984   


Track  1

     Filename C:\music2005\VA - a Decade of Smash Hits Disk 2\01 - The Only Way Is Up - The Only Way Is Up.wav

     Peak level 94.7 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 299EB2D9
     Copy CRC 5BE7E5E7
     Track not present in AccurateRip database
     Copy OK

No errors occurred

End of status report


I will just use Ultra secure without C2 and dBpoweramp on my PX-40. (Has better tagging and album art)
Only read mode D8 words with the PX-40 as it is SCSI. Spoon as said before the PX-40 C2 is unsupported in dBpoweramp.

So after testing the drive does not support FUA and Leadin/Out. Goes to show dBpoweramp cannot be trusted with FUA testing.

Which drives read into leadin/out?

Reply #49 –
I don't see what the market would be for this.

Most commercial audio CD's are not encrypted/DRM'ed so you can always use your PC for for better lossless or lossy copying than you could ever do with the analog line-in/line-out signals. 

Furthermore, to even do a HALF-decent job of interfacing to the line-in/line-out signals you would need extremely good ADC's/DAC's built-in, which would greatly increase the price.    What do you see as the market for this?