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Mar 31 2010, 02:27
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I have only now become aware of Gregory S. Chudov's effort to develop CTDB (CUETools DB). I am very excited about this as I have actually been suggesting this to spoon (dbpoweramp's developer for over 5 years)
http://db.cuetools.net/about.php for others that have missed it: QUOTE What's it for?
You probably heard about AccurateRip, a wonderfull database of CD rip checksums, which helps you make sure your CD rip is an exact copy of original CD. What it can tell you is how many other people got the same data when copying this CD. CUETools Database is an extension of this idea. What are the advantages? * The most important feature is the ability not only to detect, but also correct small amounts of errors that occured in the ripping process. * It's free of the offset problems. You don't even need to set up offset correction for your CD drive to be able to verify and what's more important, submit rips to the database. Different pressings of the same CD are treated as the same disc by the database, it doesn't care. * Verification results are easier to deal with. There are exactly three possible outcomes: rip is correct, rip contains correctable errors, rip is unknown (or contains errors beyond repair). * If there's a match, you can be certain it's really a match, because in addition to recovery record database uses a well-known CRC32 checksum of the whole CD image (except for 10*588 offset samples in the first and last seconds of the disc). This checksum is used as a rip ID in CTDB. What are the downsides and limitations? * CUETools DB doesn't bother with tracks. Your rip as a whole is either good/correctable, or it isn't. If one of the tracks is damaged beyound repair, CTDB cannot tell which one. * If your rip contains errors, verification/correction process will involve downloading about 200kb of data, which is much more than it takes for AccurateRp. * Verification process is slower than with AR. * Database was just born and at the moment contains much less CDs than AR. How many errors can a rip contain and still be repairable? * That depends. The best case scenario is when there's one continuous damaged area up to 30-40 sectors (about half a second) long. * The worst case scenario is 4 non-continuous damaged sectors in (very) unlucky positions. What information does the database contain per each submission? * CD TOC (Table Of Contents), i.e. length of every track. * Offset-finding checksum, i.e. small (16 byte) recovery record for a set of samples throughout the CD, which allows to detect the offset difference between the rip in database and your rip, even if your rip contains some errors. * CRC32 of the whole disc (except for some leadin/leadout samples). * Submission date, artist, title. * 180kb recovery record, which is stored separately and accessed only when verifying a broken rip or repairing it. -------------------- http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=21072
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May 27 2010, 21:25
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Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 19-July 09 Member No.: 71601 |
Hi!
I've been away for a while. Since then I see a lot of good things have happened. The last time I was here CueTools were at 2.0.4a. I've upgraded to 2.0.9 and I'm impressed with CTDB: Great idea! I'm wondering what does this mean: CODE [ CTDBID ] Status [9ee07e8b] (20/20) Has no data track, No match Does it mean that disc is correctly ripped but with no data track or that it couldn't be verified because it does not contain data track? Regards, Fuki |
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Eli CUETools DB Mar 31 2010, 02:27
Eli For those that would like to see this added to dBp... Mar 31 2010, 02:32
Eli Chudov,
What type of error correction are you usin... Mar 31 2010, 17:50
Gregory S. Chudov Of course CTDB is open, and the code required to u... Mar 31 2010, 18:46
Eli QUOTE (Gregory S. Chudov @ Mar 31 2010, 13... Mar 31 2010, 19:33
Gregory S. Chudov QUOTE (Eli @ Mar 31 2010, 22:33) Not for ... Apr 5 2010, 12:15
Eli Gregory,
Thanks for the reply.
Any thought of cha... Apr 5 2010, 18:35
krafty In the future, WILL THERE BE something that may de... Apr 5 2010, 19:09
greynol As I said elsewhere, consolidation is a good thing... Apr 5 2010, 19:32
krafty Well said, and if there was a way to identify thes... Apr 6 2010, 00:15
Eli A tool to scan audio for clicks/pops characteristi... Apr 6 2010, 02:04
Eli dBpoweramp forum CUETools DB thread
QUOTE (Spoon;9... Apr 8 2010, 00:11
Gregory S. Chudov QUOTE (Eli @ Apr 5 2010, 21:35) Also, hav... Apr 16 2010, 22:03
Eli QUOTE (Gregory S. Chudov @ Apr 16 2010, 17... Apr 19 2010, 23:03
Gregory S. Chudov We all benefit from CTDB support in as many applic... Apr 20 2010, 11:06
Eli spoon has said in the past that the majority of hi... Apr 20 2010, 14:34
Eli After my last post I thought about this some more.... Apr 20 2010, 15:50
zfox QUOTE (Eli @ Apr 20 2010, 17:50) After my... Apr 20 2010, 16:03
Eli Wouldn't change the software license at all. T... Apr 20 2010, 17:25
zfox That can be feasible even with GPL (dependency thr... Apr 20 2010, 18:05
Eli NP, I am sure you, zfox, would not mind providing ... Apr 20 2010, 18:55
Teknojnky methinks the record companies would have a little ... Apr 20 2010, 20:09
Eli QUOTE (Teknojnky @ Apr 20 2010, 15:09) me... Apr 20 2010, 21:55
Gregory S. Chudov QUOTE (Teknojnky @ Apr 20 2010, 15:09) me... May 7 2010, 20:44
Eli QUOTE (Gregory S. Chudov @ May 7 2010, 15... May 10 2010, 02:51
Gregory S. Chudov QUOTE (Eli @ May 10 2010, 05:51) Of cours... May 10 2010, 07:38
zfox QUOTE (Gregory S. Chudov @ Mar 31 2010, 20... Apr 20 2010, 20:21
zfox QUOTE (Teknojnky @ Apr 20 2010, 22:09) me... Apr 20 2010, 20:26
Respwaned2 Hey, this is a great initiative. I always wondered... May 7 2010, 17:01
sauvage78 Use encode in repair mode.
It seems CTDB can dete... May 7 2010, 17:28
Respwaned2 QUOTE (sauvage78 @ May 7 2010, 16:28) Use... May 7 2010, 19:11
sauvage78 1: Well I never had "Index out of range... May 7 2010, 19:36
Respwaned2 QUOTE (sauvage78 @ May 7 2010, 18:36) 1: ... May 7 2010, 19:41
sauvage78 I never tried to submit myself (I wait to have a f... May 7 2010, 20:15
Gregory S. Chudov QUOTE (Respwaned2 @ May 7 2010, 22:41) It... May 7 2010, 20:52
Respwaned2 QUOTE (Gregory S. Chudov @ May 7 2010, 19... May 7 2010, 22:05
Gregory S. Chudov QUOTE (Respwaned2 @ May 8 2010, 01:05) I... May 7 2010, 23:51
Respwaned2 I've also got a "Exception: The specified... May 7 2010, 23:51
Gregory S. Chudov Maybe the output path (for the log) was too long -... May 7 2010, 23:59
odyssey How do I submit a rip to CTDB??? I tried Cueripper... May 8 2010, 13:13
Fandango I guess it is submitted when the rip is done...
@... May 8 2010, 16:10
Gregory S. Chudov I don't store pregaps exactly because they are... May 8 2010, 17:19
Saxo QUOTE (Gregory S. Chudov @ May 8 2010, 17... May 17 2010, 14:25
Fandango QUOTE (Saxo @ May 17 2010, 15:25) I have ... May 17 2010, 17:10

Saxo QUOTE (Fandango @ May 17 2010, 18:10) QUO... May 22 2010, 17:46
Gregory S. Chudov QUOTE (Saxo @ May 17 2010, 17:25) In my o... May 22 2010, 18:07
odyssey I just ripped a few CD's that should not be in... May 8 2010, 23:03
Gregory S. Chudov You can easily check if CD is in database - when y... May 8 2010, 23:41
odyssey QUOTE (Gregory S. Chudov @ May 8 2010, 23... May 9 2010, 00:16
odyssey QUOTE (Gregory S. Chudov @ May 8 2010, 23... May 9 2010, 00:32
Gregory S. Chudov Select encode mode, and select 'repair' fr... May 9 2010, 00:21
sauvage78 While I agree that burst rip should be accepted as... May 9 2010, 04:12
Gregory S. Chudov QUOTE (sauvage78 @ May 9 2010, 07:12) The... May 10 2010, 07:55
sauvage78 I only post an interesting log that I just found i... May 10 2010, 03:51
greynol The last time you claimed "damage due to a sc... May 10 2010, 06:43
sauvage78 Well the two problems cases are very different:
-... May 10 2010, 08:06
Gregory S. Chudov QUOTE (sauvage78 @ May 10 2010, 11:06) bu... May 10 2010, 08:46
greynol Offset differences between pressings can be far gr... May 10 2010, 08:10
sauvage78 Yes, your exemple made me realize that the more th... May 10 2010, 08:57
greynol QUOTE (sauvage78 @ May 10 2010, 00:57) So... May 10 2010, 17:53
Fandango Is CTDB able to identify null sample tracks? AR fa... May 10 2010, 18:37
greynol QUOTE (Fandango @ May 10 2010, 10:37) I m... May 10 2010, 19:01
Gregory S. Chudov CTDB doesn't care about tracks and it doesn... May 10 2010, 18:43
sauvage78 I have found one more strange log:
An AR3 rip with... May 12 2010, 03:50
Gregory S. Chudov I was actually testing CUERipper on that disc My ... May 12 2010, 03:59
sauvage78 Ok, Thks
I have submitted this CD so that you ca... May 12 2010, 04:10
Gregory S. Chudov Thanks May 12 2010, 04:12
sauvage78 I just re-checked this CD, now the reverse is happ... May 12 2010, 05:51
Gregory S. Chudov I purged the second entry completely. Before i did... May 12 2010, 06:12
sauvage78 Ok, once more I was completly wrong about CTDB
I... May 12 2010, 06:58
sauvage78 Well maybe the biggest use would be for protected ... May 22 2010, 18:27
Saxo QUOTE (sauvage78 @ May 22 2010, 19:27) In... May 22 2010, 20:46
sauvage78 Saxo:
I am not arguing about the usefullness of cu... May 22 2010, 22:04
sauvage78 Hi Greg,
In a discussion (that took a bad directio... May 27 2010, 18:34
Gregory S. Chudov QUOTE (sauvage78 @ May 27 2010, 21:34) It... May 27 2010, 19:57
greynol QUOTE (Gregory S. Chudov @ May 27 2010, 11... May 27 2010, 20:32
greynol You might want to go over this thread again since ... May 27 2010, 18:48
sauvage78 Gregory:
QUOTE It doesn't submit in Burst mode... May 27 2010, 19:03
greynol QUOTE (sauvage78 @ May 27 2010, 11:03) So... May 27 2010, 20:15
Teknojnky maybe cuetools / cueripper have grown, or about to... May 27 2010, 20:33
greynol QUOTE (Teknojnky @ May 27 2010, 12:33) ma... May 27 2010, 20:54
sauvage78 Thks for the answers. I am reassured that the issu... May 27 2010, 20:40
Gregory S. Chudov QUOTE (sauvage78 @ May 27 2010, 23:40) Gr... May 27 2010, 20:56
greynol QUOTE (sauvage78 @ May 27 2010, 12:40) Lo... May 27 2010, 21:06
Gregory S. Chudov It means that database only knows about a pressing... May 27 2010, 21:38
Fuki This rip has no data track...
BTW What would be t... May 27 2010, 21:48
Gregory S. Chudov Has no data track, Accurately Ripped May 27 2010, 21:50
Fuki CUETools report this:
CODECD-Extra data track leng... May 27 2010, 21:58
sauvage78 greynol:
QUOTE Hopefully you have them organized b... May 27 2010, 22:08
Saxo QUOTE (sauvage78 @ May 27 2010, 23:08) Ev... May 28 2010, 15:57
Fuki QUOTE (Saxo @ May 28 2010, 15:57) QUOTE (... May 29 2010, 18:05
sauvage78 Fuki:
If I were Greynol I would say that "th... May 27 2010, 22:24
Goratrix QUOTE (sauvage78 @ May 27 2010, 23:24) Mo... May 28 2010, 14:30
Fuki Tnx sauvage78!
Like a lot of the rips I have o... May 28 2010, 08:59
spoon >I store the drive model and ripper version so ... May 28 2010, 09:29
Fandango QUOTE (spoon @ May 28 2010, 10:29) Unfort... May 28 2010, 13:46
sauvage78 Goratrix:
I already asked Greg for such a feature ... May 29 2010, 06:30
sauvage78 Saxo:
Actually I still use EAC, so what I am criti... May 29 2010, 07:56
greynol This topic is about the CUEToolsDB, not about conf... May 29 2010, 18:13![]() ![]() |
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