Call for capable people to do a comparison of rippers |
Call for capable people to do a comparison of rippers |
Jul 26 2010, 00:13
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![]() Group: Admin Posts: 2530 Joined: 26-September 01 From: Denmark Member No.: 21 |
Hi.
Over the years and recently (here and here) there have been many discussions and questions about the differences between different cd rippers. New rippers with secure ripping facilities (dbpoweramp, CUEtools, foobar etc) have emerged in recent years and it is now difficult to judge compared to some years ago when the only answer was EAC. For this reason I thought it could be very good to have a page at the wiki trying to explain in a concise form what the differences are. I was imagining a table with features like we have done for the Lossless format comparison but probably also additional text is required. I do not consider myself close to competent to try to do this but I have tried to setup a starting point for such a page here: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...n_of_CD_rippers I hope the capable people here will invest some time into this so as to save time repeating these points. Please post your thoughts on this idea: how best to organize?, what to put in the table?, which programs are relevant?, what other issues need to be explain in text?, etc. Some more links: wikipedias list of rippers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_ripper Kind of comparison here for secure ripping features: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Secure_ripping |
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Jul 26 2010, 12:38
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Group: Members Posts: 28 Joined: 15-January 09 From: Russia Member No.: 65602 |
I'm having the impression that novadays CD drives are that much self aware that it make no difference what settings or software to use. Different drives return the different results with the same software and settings. I had the unpleasant experience to choose drive i trust more. No matter the software i used (few EAC's too) the result was the same for unit but unique for each drive. They are simply self evident black boxes, back in the days there was the possibility to retrieve the raw data on reading operation by diskette and i did actually saved a few unreadable files. What the raw reading is seems to be the weak semi-random pattern of unstable sector that depends on physical damage and can be analized in manual manner. Within a few spinning iterations there was even a chance for controller to catch up and return the absolutely correct pattern but erroneous by the dumb controller standpoint. I'm not sure the modern devices are that much handsome.
Would be glad to every find outs about best rippers but keeping not much hope for them. This post has been edited by willow: Jul 26 2010, 12:41 -------------------- maiko.elementfx.com
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Jan S. Call for capable people to do a comparison of rippers Jul 26 2010, 00:13
Jan S. Did you account for offset and difference in heade... Jul 26 2010, 13:26
Jan S. I have filled some of the table but at this point ... Jul 27 2010, 00:22
greynol "Capable of disabling C2" needs to be re... Jul 27 2010, 00:36
greynol Noting a recent addition made by Eli, I'd like... Jul 28 2010, 00:34
Eli QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 26 2010, 16:36) I al... Jul 28 2010, 01:16
Jan S. * AR2 dropped and footnote added
* dropped dppower... Jul 27 2010, 01:01
greynol I would think that anything hitting that chart sho... Jul 27 2010, 01:10
greynol When you tell EAC that your drive has Accurate Str... Jul 27 2010, 01:18
greynol I've made quite a few updates. Please review ... Jul 27 2010, 07:22
spoon HTOA has been supported since dBpoweramp R13 (it i... Jul 27 2010, 10:14
greynol QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 27 2010, 02:14) Accura... Jul 27 2010, 16:07
stevenmmm MusicBee supports many of the ripping features lis... Jul 27 2010, 11:42
Jan S. I have reorganized the table and added info.
QUOT... Jul 27 2010, 14:36
greynol QUOTE (Jan S. @ Jul 27 2010, 06:36) you a... Jul 27 2010, 16:09
greynol Careful about post-processing. With at least dBpo... Jul 27 2010, 16:14
spoon QUOTE Is the table correct now with regards to dbp... Jul 27 2010, 16:20
greynol From my understanding it wasn't a blanket chec... Jul 27 2010, 16:28
spoon It suggests that both CRCs are calculated, for eve... Jul 27 2010, 20:16
greynol I don't see how you can say that. It's pr... Jul 27 2010, 20:24
spoon >offset is largely determined through mathemati... Jul 27 2010, 20:27
greynol I just want to make sure that you realize that the... Jul 27 2010, 20:42
spoon The code suggests that all effective CRCs for +-5 ... Jul 27 2010, 21:07
greynol That seems to be the most plausible explanation; a... Jul 27 2010, 21:25
spoon >I don't understand why you would say it we... Jul 27 2010, 21:42
greynol I don't see how it could be when the two metho... Jul 27 2010, 21:50
spoon A bad collision is like playing the lottery, the m... Jul 27 2010, 22:06
greynol Duh, I get it now. Thanks spoon!
CUETools do... Jul 27 2010, 23:37
greynol I'm starting to think that just specifying Win... Jul 27 2010, 23:51
greynol I have an objection with footnote 4 since it impli... Jul 28 2010, 00:37
greynol I think there is a way to generalize rows that and... Jul 28 2010, 02:45
Eli QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 27 2010, 21:45) dBpo... Jul 28 2010, 04:03
greynol QUOTE (Eli @ Jul 27 2010, 20:03) I'm ... Jul 28 2010, 04:19
Eli QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 27 2010, 23:19) QUOT... Jul 28 2010, 22:33
greynol Maybe Jan feels differently, but I thought it a go... Jul 28 2010, 04:18
Jan S. Why is over-reading in the cache column?Why does ... Jul 29 2010, 00:15
greynol QUOTE (Jan S. @ Jul 28 2010, 16:15) Why i... Jul 29 2010, 01:57
Jan S. QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 29 2010, 02:57) QUOT... Jul 29 2010, 23:56
greynol QUOTE (Jan S. @ Jul 29 2010, 15:56) So we... Jul 30 2010, 01:06

mjb2006 QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 29 2010, 18:06) QUOT... Jul 30 2010, 10:41
greynol QUOTE (Jan S. @ Jul 29 2010, 15:56) C2 p... Jul 30 2010, 01:13
Jan S. I have implemented some of suggested changes. Befo... Jul 30 2010, 14:16
greynol I think adding a row about AR results across multi... Jul 30 2010, 19:07
Jan S. QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 30 2010, 20:07) I th... Jul 30 2010, 19:24
Jan S. FYI I found this in XLD changelog:QUOTE Added opti... Jul 30 2010, 19:11
greynol Thanks Jan. I will edit the table accordingly to ... Jul 30 2010, 19:21
greynol The argument boils down to how likely a ripping er... Jul 30 2010, 19:51
greynol fb2k entry updated and other minor edits. I put N... Jul 30 2010, 21:28
spoon CDex should be added to the table, it is still wid... Jul 30 2010, 22:00
greynol >not a theory it is a fact
You're right sp... Jul 30 2010, 22:16
Jan S. QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 30 2010, 23:16) ... Jul 30 2010, 22:32
greynol I won't shed a tear to see it gone, but it lic... Jul 30 2010, 22:39
Jan S. QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 30 2010, 23:39) I wo... Jul 30 2010, 22:51
Pepzhez There is no proprietary method of cache defeat in ... Jul 30 2010, 23:10
greynol Items that are left blank or are vague are in need... Jul 31 2010, 00:52
Pepzhez Filling in the gaps for XLD --
Image as single fi... Jul 31 2010, 04:58
Jan S. QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Jul 31 2010, 05:58) Fill... Jul 31 2010, 11:18
Porcus One year and a half gone since this discussion, th... Feb 15 2012, 11:10
Porcus Considering the knowledgebase is open for edit ...... Oct 7 2012, 10:11![]() ![]() |
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