What we measure is what we hear Options

[Yahzi]

I've heard audiophiles claim time and time again that what we measure does not reflect what we hear in a listening evaluation. I think Floyd Tool is the pioneer in conducting the studies for this, but who else as in a position of authority has led research into this field? It can't be mere opinion. I feel measurements largely do correlate with subjective sound quality but I don't think *all* measurements do. Some are more relevant than others.

What is your position?

[greynol]

The point I was making is that the ears (outer or inner) don't perceive; rather it is the conscious mind does the perceiving. Further, perceptions can be altered though expectation bias. People who are persuaded into "hearing" (or "not hearing") something will actually experience it, regardless of the stimulus to the ear. To them it is very real and is perceived as such.

[Nessuno]

The point I was making is that the ears (outer or inner) don't perceive; rather it is the conscious mind does the perceiving.

Ok, but "perceptual" codecs are focused on discarding exactly those stimula that the ears (and/or lower brain functions) are not able to discriminate and blind tests are used just to put "consciousness" out of the equation.

But now it's me just quibbling , I think the sense of what has been said upon measure vs. hear is clear and also upon hearing abilities not actually changing by expectations, so I stop here...

[Woodinville]

The point I was making is that the ears (outer or inner) don't perceive; rather it is the conscious mind does the perceiving.

Ok, but "perceptual" codecs are focused on discarding exactly those stimula that the ears (and/or lower brain functions) are not able to discriminate and blind tests are used just to put "consciousness" out of the equation.

Perceptual codecs, by and large, use the auditory periphery sensitivity to throw out information.

If the periphery can not capture the information, it never reaches the cognative level.

You must separate cognative effects from peripheral effects, please. Cognative effects are as plastic as plastic gets (i.e. they can change, adapt, etc). The periphery is very nearly fixed, with simple feedback mechanisms from the CNS.