Audible Differences in DAC's? |
Audible Differences in DAC's? |
Jan 9 2013, 19:41
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Group: Members Posts: 25 Joined: 5-February 10 Member No.: 77876 |
When he announced the release of the ODAC, NwAvGuy posted the the following on his blog:
QUOTE NO SNAKE OIL REQUIRED: Many audiophiles want to believe more elaborate or exotic DACs offer higher fidelity. The ODAC demonstrates you do NOT need any of these for 100% transparent performance: Asynchronous USB UAC2 (USB Audio Class 2) Support Asynchronous Sample Rate Conversion (ASRC), Minimum Phase Filtering (no pre-ringing) Non-oversampling NOS DAC chips Dual DAC chips Balanced Outputs Vacuum Tube Stages Elaborate and/or High Current Power Supplies Is his position accurate/defensible? If there was a well-designed DB/ABX test of the ODAC and sub $500/$1000 DAC's (e.g., Audioquest Dragonfly, iFi Micro iDAC, Audioengine D1, Emotiva XDA-2, etc.) that are are Asynchronous, USB Audio Class 2, etc. etc., do you think there would be 'audible/discernible' differences? The reason that I am asking is that I am curious as to the whether there really is much of an audible difference between various sub $500 or $1,000 DAC's, and I haven't come across any DB tests of DAC's. I have read many subjective reviews that claim differences are quite noticeable. Of course, there are major differences in terms of the types and number of inputs and outputs that a DAC may have, whether they include a headphone amp, how portable they are, etc. I am not trying to start a fight/flame war, I am just curious as to what the 'prevailing wisdom is' on this site. If you think there are differences in sub $500/$1000 DAC's, what do you believe are the relevant factors (e.g., USB vs Toslink/Coax)? I know that 'speakers' make a difference, but am unsure about how much, if any, difference there is between DAC's. Again, just trying to become an informed consumer (and save $), not trying to start fights. TIA PS...I should note that I appreciate people like NwAvGuy and others who try to provide quality products, diy options, etc., at reasonable prices. |
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Jan 9 2013, 19:55
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Group: Members Posts: 3083 Joined: 1-September 05 From: SE Pennsylvania Member No.: 24233 |
I'm curious why you felt the need to limit the discussion to sub $500 or $1000 DACs? Is it because you feel that a DAC which costs much more than this WILL sound better in an ABX test?
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sawdin Audible Differences in DAC's? Jan 9 2013, 19:41
sawdin QUOTE (pdq @ Jan 9 2013, 13:55) I'm c... Jan 9 2013, 20:14
greynol $500 is far too much for a transparent DAC. ... Jan 9 2013, 20:26
sawdin QUOTE (greynol @ Jan 9 2013, 14:26) ... Jan 9 2013, 20:31
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (sawdin @ Jan 9 2013, 14:31) Okay, ... Jan 10 2013, 00:47
sawdin QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jan 9 2013, 18... Jan 11 2013, 16:41
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (sawdin @ Jan 11 2013, 10:41) How a... Jan 14 2013, 14:52
DVDdoug Most sub-$100 CD players or portable music pl... Jan 9 2013, 20:29
greynol I don't feel challenged, rather it is I who is... Jan 9 2013, 20:42
Speedskater Unfortunately the NwAvGuy has lost interest in the... Jan 9 2013, 20:51
sawdin QUOTE (Speedskater @ Jan 9 2013, 14:51) U... Jan 9 2013, 21:11
ktf You can try for yourself, download this: http://dl... Jan 9 2013, 22:56
arve QUOTE (ktf @ Jan 9 2013, 22:56) You can t... Feb 4 2013, 20:40
mzil At extremely elevated levels (which with normal le... Feb 4 2013, 21:28
arve QUOTE (mzil @ Feb 4 2013, 21:28) At extre... Feb 4 2013, 22:01
skamp QUOTE (sawdin @ Jan 9 2013, 20:31) Okay, ... Jan 9 2013, 23:37
sawdin Thanks to all who have replied. Very informative,... Jan 10 2013, 01:47
Mach-X Haha skamp exactly why I love my zunehd! Its s... Jan 14 2013, 06:27
Mach-X btw Arnold, the folks at Zanden would disagree wit... Jan 15 2013, 03:58
probedb QUOTE (Mach-X @ Jan 15 2013, 02:58) ... Jan 15 2013, 09:05
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (probedb @ Jan 15 2013, 03:05) QUOT... Jan 16 2013, 14:43
pdq You did notice that he said that two of the files ... Feb 4 2013, 22:23
arve QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 4 2013, 22:23) You did n... Feb 4 2013, 22:50
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (pdq @ Feb 4 2013, 16:23) You did n... Feb 6 2013, 03:48
Mach-X My question here is, if the sansa clip+ provides l... Feb 6 2013, 10:10
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (Mach-X @ Feb 6 2013, 04:10) M... Feb 6 2013, 11:09
skamp Sure, the ODAC is overkill, but that's not a b... Feb 6 2013, 11:45
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (skamp @ Feb 6 2013, 05:45) Sure, t... Feb 24 2013, 11:58
mzil QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Feb 24 2013, 05... Feb 24 2013, 22:10
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (mzil @ Feb 24 2013, 16:10) QUOTE (... Feb 25 2013, 15:51
DonP Of course the big limitation of clip is that whil... Feb 24 2013, 14:32
Arnold B. Krueger QUOTE (DonP @ Feb 24 2013, 08:32) Of cour... Feb 24 2013, 20:11![]() ![]() |
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